RE: Egypt as the next venue.

[Khaled Omar <eng.khaled.omar@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

>> I saw no suggestion of using the US’s lists as the only consideration. Certainly, it might be difficult (or impossible) to find a venue that is not on any country’s travel warning list, but these are the same considerations that drove the meeting online from COVID.

 

Nothing is impossible, we shouldn’t wait to the perfect conditions, just do what we should do and we will see if things will come as expected or not.

 

Khaled Omar

 

From: ietf <ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx> On Behalf Of Joseph Touch
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 4:49 PM
To: Mark Nottingham <mnot@xxxxxxxx>
Cc: Ole Jacobsen <olejacobsen=40me.com@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; IETF Discussion <ietf@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Egypt as the next venue.

 

 

On Aug 26, 2020, at 5:42 PM, Mark Nottingham <mnot@xxxxxxxx> wrote:

 

However, I'd contest the notion that a US government warning would preclude an 'overwhelming majority of participants' -- not only would that imply that Americans always followed that advice 

 

It’s not always the choice you imply - if your employer has a policy that ties travel permission to US State Department warnings (and many do at least because it ties to their insurance, which covers employees on business travel), then it’s not just ‘advice’ - it means they won’t pay *and* you can’t attend on company time. 

and that Americans are an 'overwhelming majority’,

 

Singapore was ~34% range; as a single country, that looks like 3x the next largest - not majority, but certainly significant.

but it would also have the policy effect of giving control over IETF venue selection to the US State Department.

 

 I saw no suggestion of using the US’s lists as the only consideration. Certainly, it might be difficult (or impossible) to find a venue that is not on any country’s travel warning list, but these are the same considerations that drove the meeting online from COVID.

 

Joe