Melinda, I want to apologize to you for the one message I regret posting, the one where I said "... is credibility destroying". What I should have said, had I put more effort into it (I've put a lot of effort into most of my posts) is that draft-knodel-terminology has references to scholarship about master/slave and whitelist/blacklist, but none about master {key, this, that, the other} which it doesn't even mention, and that the bare minimum to make "master X" beyond the pale (when it's such a useful and widely used construction) is what Mallory did for the others. Melinda and others, What I would like to do now, is offer a number of you a chance to have a 1-1 videochat. I think email is not conducive to defusing charged debate. I hope you will take me up on it. I've put a great deal of effort into stating my position (which grants the leadership a great deal of they wanted!) in as polite and professional a manner as I could. It is distressing to see some you quit, and some of you even blame me specifically. Nico --