On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 4:52 PM Mary B <mary.h.barnes@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > > On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 3:38 PM Christopher Morrow <morrowc.lists@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> >> On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 3:24 PM Mary B <mary.h.barnes@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> > >> > On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 1:52 PM Christopher Morrow <morrowc.lists@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> >> >> >> On Tue, Jun 2, 2020 at 8:30 PM George Michaelson <ggm@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> >> > >> >> > My only concern is that the ESTA/CBP barriers to entry for IETF >> >> > participants who have travel issues to the USA remain. We are in >> >> > effect normalising US foreign policy discrimination against IETF >> >> > participation F2F >> >> >> >> It seems that putting a meeting back in the US is really not something >> >> the IETF should do... not until the current problems (virus, <internal >> >> strife>, external restrictions> are fixed... I don't think we(ietf) >> >> should be concerned about the potential loss on the SF site >> >> deposits/etc... >> > >> > [MB] Do you really think you/we can judge what things will be like over 3 years from now? >> >> hrm, I read the meetings as the set starting next march... it's really >> 2 yes, not three, right? >> (108 - madrid/cancel, 109 BKK cancel, 110 spring, 111, summer, 112 fall) > > [MB] The SF meeting is listed per Jay's schedule as: "IETF 117 will be held in San Francisco at the Hilton > Union Square, 22-28 July 2023" > My math tells me that's 3+ years away. But, it looks like you're referring to 111 - that's what confused me. yes (2023 is almost 3yrs out) > That's a different question as to whether we're keeping that one. I'm guessing that that decision would be > made closer to that date and I would guess that cancelling or rescheduling due to the virus would not be > nearly as problematic as telling the Hilton that IETF doesn't like US politics. And, unless, the Madrid > meeting hotel is moldy, I won't be wearing a mask. [/MB] :) fair enough... I'm mostly concerned about the US meeting, though really any in-person meeting as things stand today with a bunch of 'strangers' seems .. yikes! ;) That MAY be better by next summer? I don't really expect things on the 'health' front to get better by then, not substantially so. >> I suppose 112 - madrid could likely turn out 'ok', I imagine we'll >> still be with the face coverings/etc. >> 117 is far enough out that we'll probably not care about that as a >> thing or not ... :) >> 120 the same. >> >> Will 117 be far enough out to fix up the internal politics problems in the US? >> >> > What specifically does the virus have to do with whether or not we have a meeting in the >> > US in 3 years? There's nothing to say that other countries won't have other restrictions of >> > various sorts in 3 years time. Personally, I think these changes are just perfect. If the >> > meeting was moved to 2021, then maybe the concerns are valid, but not 2023. [/MB] >> >> sure, ish... leaving aside the virus problems.. having a meeting in >> the US without change to policies seems bad. >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > I think you made an entirely rational decision financially, but I >> >> > think the underlying reasons we wound up going to Canada by preference >> >> > remain. >> >> > >> >> > -george >> >> > >> >> > On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 8:38 AM IETF Executive Director >> >> > <exec-director@xxxxxxxx> wrote: >> >> > > >> >> > > The IETF Administration LLC is pleased to announce that: >> >> > > >> >> > > * IETF 112 will be held in Madrid at the Melia Castilla Hotel and Convention Center, 6-12 November 2021. This was the venue originally booked for IETF 108, which was moved online because of the global pandemic [1]. We have chosen to rebook this venue to support the 20 years of significant community effort to bring an IETF meeting to Spain. >> >> > > >> >> > > * IETF 117 will be held in San Francisco at the Hilton Union Square, 22-28 July 2023. This was the venue originally booked for IETF 102, which was moved because of concerns about US travel restrictions [2]. We have rebooked this venue as it was either that or pay a significant cancellation fee.. >> >> > > >> >> > > * IETF 120 will be held in Vancouver at the Hyatt Regency Vancouver, 20-26 July 2024. This was the venue originally booked for IETF 107, which was moved online because of the global pandemic [3]. We have chosen to rebook this venue to preserve the effort already put into contracting and preparing for this venue. >> >> > > >> >> > > In general, as the process of selecting a venue is expensive and time consuming, rebooking previously cancelled venues ensure that those costs are not written off and additional costs are not incurred in selecting new venues. >> >> > > >> >> > > Please feel free to contact me directly if you have any comments or questions. >> >> > > >> >> > > [1] https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ietf-announce/kzC7M48oKrAwdh9uyOvseeKFW3A/ >> >> > > [2] https://iaoc.ietf.org/documents/IETF102Changeofvenuedates.pdf >> >> > > [3] https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ietf-announce/XenAlx4Nw6Jmg69QpXRUOwbzsXY/ >> >> > > >> >> > > -- >> >> > > Jay Daley >> >> > > IETF Executive Director >> >> > > exec-director@xxxxxxxx >> >> > > >> >> > > _______________________________________________ >> >> > > IETF-Announce mailing list >> >> > > IETF-Announce@xxxxxxxx >> >> > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-announce >> >> > >> >>
