On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 1:52 PM Christopher Morrow <morrowc.lists@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Tue, Jun 2, 2020 at 8:30 PM George Michaelson <ggm@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> My only concern is that the ESTA/CBP barriers to entry for IETF
> participants who have travel issues to the USA remain. We are in
> effect normalising US foreign policy discrimination against IETF
> participation F2F
It seems that putting a meeting back in the US is really not something
the IETF should do... not until the current problems (virus, <internal
strife>, external restrictions> are fixed... I don't think we(ietf)
should be concerned about the potential loss on the SF site
deposits/etc...
[MB] Do you really think you/we can judge what things will be like over 3 years from now? What specifically does the virus have to do with whether or not we have a meeting in the US in 3 years? There's nothing to say that other countries won't have other restrictions of various sorts in 3 years time. Personally, I think these changes are just perfect. If the meeting was moved to 2021, then maybe the concerns are valid, but not 2023. [/MB]
>
> I think you made an entirely rational decision financially, but I
> think the underlying reasons we wound up going to Canada by preference
> remain.
>
> -george
>
> On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 8:38 AM IETF Executive Director
> <exec-director@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> > The IETF Administration LLC is pleased to announce that:
> >
> > * IETF 112 will be held in Madrid at the Melia Castilla Hotel and Convention Center, 6-12 November 2021. This was the venue originally booked for IETF 108, which was moved online because of the global pandemic [1]. We have chosen to rebook this venue to support the 20 years of significant community effort to bring an IETF meeting to Spain.
> >
> > * IETF 117 will be held in San Francisco at the Hilton Union Square, 22-28 July 2023. This was the venue originally booked for IETF 102, which was moved because of concerns about US travel restrictions [2]. We have rebooked this venue as it was either that or pay a significant cancellation fee..
> >
> > * IETF 120 will be held in Vancouver at the Hyatt Regency Vancouver, 20-26 July 2024. This was the venue originally booked for IETF 107, which was moved online because of the global pandemic [3]. We have chosen to rebook this venue to preserve the effort already put into contracting and preparing for this venue.
> >
> > In general, as the process of selecting a venue is expensive and time consuming, rebooking previously cancelled venues ensure that those costs are not written off and additional costs are not incurred in selecting new venues.
> >
> > Please feel free to contact me directly if you have any comments or questions.
> >
> > [1] https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ietf-announce/kzC7M48oKrAwdh9uyOvseeKFW3A/
> > [2] https://iaoc.ietf.org/documents/IETF102Changeofvenuedates.pdf
> > [3] https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ietf-announce/XenAlx4Nw6Jmg69QpXRUOwbzsXY/
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