Hiya, On 02/06/2020 23:11, Ted Hardie wrote: > I think the LLC can call consensus on a matter within their remit (just as > the IAOC evaluated the feedback on the registration date change policy that > I referenced many messages ago). Ah. That's a surprise to me. I don't believe that the concept of the LLC calling consensus of a discussion of the IETF community was a part of iasa2 at all. Or if it was, I missed it. Of course the LLC needs to watch and be reactive to community discussion, but calling consensus, being a term of art around here, isn't how I'd describe that. > So, I think they are the victims set up > to do that in this case. > > Since you referenced the magic number 14, I conclude we still disagree. Referring to zero, or 14, as magic numbers, is an excellent rhetorical way to disparage my argument (I'm not at all complaining btw, I like it:-) I could as well claim that the numbers in Jay's mail were magical, but meh. > > I think we do agree that there should be public discussion. I think we do > agree that the LLC and IESG should talk to each other about the > implications of different strategies to both the ongoing work of the IETF > and its financial future. I think we do agree that any conclusion would be > revisited in the light of evidence of how it ends up working. Yep. > > But our disagreement on on who the stuckee is remains. Yep again. Cheers, S.
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