Stephen, Apart from agreeing that 2 weeks isn't enough, I tend to disagree with you. On the contrary, I'm delighted to see that the LLC is thinking about the medium term. Somebody needs to. As you say, > If the community do not > have a 3-5 year strategy (and we clearly do not:-)... Shame on us, then. It's clear that COVID-19 and sustainability arguments mean that "go on doing what we've been doing" isn't a plan. Admittedly, that doesn't make IETF LLC's planning any easier. I won't say more till I've had a chance to read the draft. Regards Brian On 04-May-20 12:48, Stephen Farrell wrote: > > Hiya, > > To be clear: I fully accept Jay's bona-fides here, > and those of whomever he has already had discussions > with about this. IOW, I think this is a well > intentioned, but fundamentally misguided, ask. > > On 04/05/2020 01:19, IETF Executive Director wrote: >> This email now begins a two week consultation on this Draft Strategic >> Plan 2020, closing on Monday 18 May. > I don't think that deadline is acceptable. (*) > > I think it's a fine idea for the LLC folks to be planning > how to do things better. I'm allergic to that being done > as a "strategic" review. The LLC needs to be mostly driven > by the wishes of the community. If the community do not > have a 3-5 year strategy (and we clearly do not:-) then I > don't see how the LLC can, without the LLC risking, or > being perceived to be risking, usurping the community's > control over the whole shebang. > > I suggest we cancel this and find another way for the > community to set 3-5 year priorities for the LLC. That > should start by asking what the community think could > be improved maybe. (But it should start with questions > and not proposals.) > > As a concrete example of why this 2 week review is (IMO) > not acceptable, I fundamentally disagree with this as a > positive proposition: > > "LLC strategy closely aligned with the strategic > objectives of IESG, IRSG and IAB" > > The IESG and IAB do not have objectives in a 3-5 year time > frame as personnel rotate more often than that. The IRSG > are the RG chairs and at-large members selected by the IRTF > chair, who is selected by the IAB. (To be open: I was on > the IESG, and am currently on the IAB and IRSG.) The people > with whom I've served on those bodies were almost all > ones with whom I'd happily work again, but neither I nor > they can IMO validly set "strategic objectives" in that > timeframe, nor could they act as entities with whom the > LLC's "strategy" could be aligned, in that timeframe. > > No discussion of whether or not the concern I express here > is crazy or sane could be sorted out in 2 weeks. Therefore a > 2 week deadline is unacceptable. > > Cheers, > S. > > (*) I'm only objecting to the deadline in this mail. I > plan a more substantive response where I might well object > to the entire concept of the LLC having a "strategy" > without that term being highly qualified. >
