I think this is just a smokescreen. The real problem is that it didn't get
the outcomes desired by a certain group. It has nothing whatsoever to do
with scaling. Democracy scales just fine.
Also, the last paragraph is nothing but an inappropriate ad hominem attack
on Mr. Hallam-Baker. I am speaking as someone who has some disagreements
with Mr. Hallam-Baker, but I prefer to couch those disagreements in facts,
rather than hyperbole. Despite my disagreements, Mr. Hallam-Baker makes
some credible points that can't be dismissed as easilly as Mr Vixie would
like. Such ad hominems are a violation of the Code of Conduct of the IETF
as documented in RFC 3184. I ask that the chair take the appropriate
action to halt this inappropriate activity.
--Dean
On 16 Jun 2003, Paul Vixie wrote:
> pbaker@verisign.com ("Hallam-Baker, Phillip") writes:
>
> > What happened to open and inclusive?
>
> it didn't scale. but, rather than change the written rules, more emphasis
> has been put on "design teams" and "directorates" in order to get work done
> in ways the written rules don't cover. note that i think this is bad, and
> that the written rules should be changed, and then followed, and that the
> way things are trying to get done now has scaled even less well than before.
>
> > I have no confidence in Paul Judge as chair. I believe that his handling
> > of the group is damaging the IETF. The group may be in the IRTF but the
> > mailing list bears the name IETF and it the group is being presented to
> > the press as having been charged by the IETF to solve the problem.
> >
> > The FTC testimony was dire. The ASRG chair stated that he believed the
> > group would come up with a technical solution. Every one of the other
> > members of the technical panel then stated that they thought it had
> > already failed. It made the IETF look ridiculous.
>
> three different people came to me (as a known associate of verisign's) to
> ask "who the hell is this hallam-baker idiot and why does verisign let him
> out in public???" after your various tirades and misbehaviours at the ftc
> thing. therefore it's possible that your rant about paul judge's activities
> lacks credibility.
> --
> Paul Vixie
>
>