> From: Paul Vixie <vixie@vix.com> > ... therefore it's possible that your rant [about ASRG moderation] That raises an issue that I think the IETF and IRTF and certainly the ASRG moderator should consider. All contributions that are rejected by any moderators (including spam filters) of any IRTF or IETF mailing lists must be archived and should be published on web pages somewhere. Archiving is obviously critical for the defense of the moderators against charges of unfairness, self-dealing, and so forth. Publishing the rejected contributions would go a long way toward defusing or even refuting such charges with minimal embarrassment to those making them and disruption of valuable IETF and IRTF activities. There might be some extreme contributions perhaps involving child pornography or libel that could not be published, but those are surely rare and could be dealt with individually. I hope that all of the rejected contributions to the ASRG mailing list have been archived. Based on "courtesy" copies of messages that have been sent to me, I suspect that publishing the messages rejected for the ASRG list would be quite helpful. Publishing them would do no harm to the work of the mailing list. The cycles of noise on the main IETF list about some other mailing lists would be helped by this policy. Besides squelching a lot of the noise by making the moderation obviously justified, it might also satisfy those who really want their words published. An easy way to implement such a policy is to use the usual mailing list software to create parallel "lists" which to not allow subscriptions or contributions except from the moderator of the main list but that has an open archive. The moderator could send copies of any rejected documents and any relevant coorespondence to the parallel "list." Vernon Schryver vjs@rhyolite.com