On Mon, Jun 16, 2003 01:56:10PM -0400, Dean Anderson allegedly wrote: > I think this is just a smokescreen. The real problem is that it didn't > get the outcomes desired by a certain group. It has nothing > whatsoever to do with scaling. Democracy scales just fine. > > On 16 Jun 2003, Paul Vixie wrote: > > > > > What happened to open and inclusive? > > > > it didn't scale. but, rather than change the written rules, more > > emphasis has been put on "design teams" and "directorates" in order > > to get work done in ways the written rules don't cover. note that i > > think this is bad, and that the written rules should be changed, and > > then followed, and that the way things are trying to get done now > > has scaled even less well than before. The original issue was that he felt like "they" were imposing an IPR policy on him "from above". The IETF IPR policy, which ASRG was copying from, has been worked out over more than ten years with lots of input and a number of iterations. This has nothing to do with democracy or design teams.