On Fri, 2 Aug 2002 Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu wrote: > On Fri, 02 Aug 2002 15:10:21 EDT, Joe Baptista said: > > > or 3) joe clueless gets an education and switches to an appropriate route. > > Now, much as I would love to be able to advocate a "network driver's license", > it's pretty unreasonable to expect that a person learn about the ORSC/ICANN > battle to understand why he can't reach http://www.walmart.com well the orsc does see walmart ... even when .com went off air, we were surfing. > Or are you also advocating that they understand BGP so they know what happens > to their packets? > > Or did you want them to be able to Just Hit Enter and actually have it WORK? no need for all of that. just follow instructions. if they can bake from a recepie book they have the power to master and control access to namespace. which see http://www.pacroot/updatedns.shtml or if your on the limited usg namespace - try http://www.pacificroot.com/updatedns.shtml > > them. as i have said - and as it has been cleared shown - control of the > > "." is in the hands of joe clueless internet users - so in the end they > > hold the power irrespective of law. > > It's never been "shown" to my knowledge. Keep in mind that a large part of > the user community thinks the root is called .AOL > > % dig . ns | grep 'IN A' | awk '{print "root@"$1}' > root@A.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. > root@H.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. > root@C.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. > root@G.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. > root@F.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. > root@B.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. > root@J.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. > root@K.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. > root@L.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. > root@M.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. > root@I.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. > root@E.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. > root@D.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. how novel ... i remember that one from 5 years ago. hows it been going over there ... i use this one ... . 172800 IN NS GROOT.PACROOT. . 172800 IN NS MROOT.PACROOT. . 172800 IN NS OROOT.PACROOT. . 172800 IN NS SROOT.PACROOT. . 172800 IN NS TROOT.PACROOT. . 172800 IN NS AROOT.PACROOT. . 172800 IN NS BROOT.PACROOT. . 172800 IN NS CROOT.PACROOT. . 172800 IN NS DROOT.PACROOT. and i also know this one works . 518400 IN NS NY.ALTERNIC.ORG. . 518400 IN NS NY.KASHPUREFF.ORG. . 518400 IN NS UK.DNSPROS.NET. . 518400 IN NS GA.AKULA.COM. . 518400 IN NS NY.DNSPROS.NET. we also have born . 86400 IN NS b.root.tld-nic.net. . 86400 IN NS a.root.tld-nic.net. lets not forget some of icanns friends at idns . 518400 IN NS C.I-DNS.NET. . 518400 IN NS D.I-DNS.NET. . 518400 IN NS A.I-DNS.NET. . 518400 IN NS B.I-DNS.NET. and who can leave out new.net - which claims 20% resolution of the planet . 518400 IN NS NS3.NEWDOTNET.NET. . 518400 IN NS NS1.NEWDOTNET.NET. . 518400 IN NS NS2.NEWDOTNET.NET. the anarchist at opennic are still there . 518400 IN NS ns2.opennic.glue. . 518400 IN NS ns3.opennic.glue. . 518400 IN NS ns4.opennic.glue. . 518400 IN NS ns6.opennic.glue. . 518400 IN NS ns7.opennic.glue. . 518400 IN NS ns8.opennic.glue. . 518400 IN NS ns0.opennic.glue. . 518400 IN NS ns1.opennic.glue. . 518400 IN NS ns10.opennic.glue. . 518400 IN NS ns11.opennic.glue. and the orsc has been mentioned on the list many times. . 172800 IN NS G.ROOT-SERVERS.ORSC. . 172800 IN NS H.ROOT-SERVERS.ORSC. . 172800 IN NS I.ROOT-SERVERS.ORSC. . 172800 IN NS J.ROOT-SERVERS.ORSC. . 172800 IN NS A.ROOT-SERVERS.ORSC. . 172800 IN NS B.ROOT-SERVERS.ORSC. . 172800 IN NS C.ROOT-SERVERS.ORSC. . 172800 IN NS E.ROOT-SERVERS.ORSC. . 172800 IN NS F.ROOT-SERVERS.ORSC. i'm sure i left out alot more. > That's who *REALLY* controls '.'. I doubt any of them qualify as "Joe Clueless" what we have clarified here is who does not control '.' - no monopoly exists on '.' - and that in the end joe clueless has the power to control namespace. and we should start respecting that and get our stories straight so that when joe clueless clues in were ready. we don't want to end up looking foolish - do we? regards joe baptista