Perhaps some folks see progress in this protracted thread, but I certainly do not. If someone can summarize where the discussions stands, and demonstrate that it is both relevant and productive to the general IETF community, it is probably worth continuing the thread. If no one can offer that summary, perhaps the participants will consider taking the exchange private? d/ ---------- Dave Crocker <mailto:dave@tribalwise.com> TribalWise, Inc. <http://www.tribalwise.com> tel +1.408.246.8253; fax +1.408.850.1850