Re: New I-D revision: TFRC with sender-RTT estimate

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On Aug 23, 2010, at 7:28 AM, Gerrit Renker wrote:

Later, Gerrit wrote:

It is a chicken-and-egg problem. In its current form, the TFRC
implementation buys no compelling performance advantage over using UDP.

(let's ignore the word "performance" here, I think it doesn't quite fit -
but it's about the compelling advantage, i.e. reason to use it)

THIS is EXACTLY what we want to achieve with MulTFRC:
http://heim.ifi.uio.no/~michawe/research/projects/multfrc/index.html

I think that we need things like these, that give the potential users of
DCCP some sort of "service", i.e. some reason to use the protocol.
That is why I have suggested a separate thread for the other issues. One of these is that wireless performance of TFRC is really very bad and I have doubts whether multiple parallel TFRC connections can solve this problem.

I also doubt that multiple connections would help much for the wireless problem; the data checksum option is meant to cope with wireless links, but there it's still not clear what the most appropriate reaction would be, and how helpful it really is. Some further research would be needed here.


But perhaps the underlying ideas; IMHO the most promising approach for WiFi TFRC is TFRC Veno. I am cc:-ing Leandro who has done some work with TCP Veno.

It seems like you forgot to cc him (but maybe he's on the DCCP list).


What is appealing is that just the TCP equation changes, plus Veno- like RTT
monitoring.

Yes, that sounds like an interesting combination.

Cheers,
Michael



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