[Jamvm-general] Re: [maemo-developers] J2ME on Nokia 770

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Dalibor Topic wrote:

>On Tue, Mar 07, 2006 at 02:37:17PM +0100, Philippe Laporte wrote:
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>>>>>>If you link native to a GPL VM, then that code must also be GPL, no? 
>>>>>>That is an absolute requirement in the embedded world...
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>>>>>That is true. But running java bytecode in with a GPL vm and loading JNI
>>>>>libs during that doenst render all the java/native code you run with the
>>>>>VM to GPL.
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>>>>and this context does not apply to CLDC...
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>>>I don't know much about Maemo. Perhaps you should be more clear on what
>>>you really need/want to do.
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>>Maemo is the platform for the 770. It doesn't have Java support yet, but 
>>when it does it sure can manage CDC, which goes your way, but still, the 
>>big guys will want a clear picture, and in the past LGPL has been a go, 
>>and GPL a no-go.
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>If that was true, they would not have used a GPLd Linux kernel for the
>maemo.
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>The big guys can have a clear picture: using a GPLd VM is not different
>from using a GPLd kernel in their device.
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Well, I never heard it put it this way, and I cannot say that I agree.

But really, why is there such a lack of clarity in these matters? Is 
there no way to clarity once and for all?

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>>Are you saying SableVM is using FUD tactics? They seem to be believe 
>>strongly in their position...
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>Believing in something does not make it true. If you want legal advice,
>ask a lawyer. If you want to know how someone interprets the GPL on their code,
>ask them. If you want to know how the SableVM devs believe the GPL works on
>other people's code they 'compete' with, you can have that, too. If you
>want to know how the GPL works, you can ask the FSF.
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>If you want to know, you ask. If you want to believe, then there is no
>point in asking as you've already figured out what answers you want, and
>just need a rational justification for them, like some 'legal FAQ' on
>some obscure web site. 
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>Chose whatever works best for you. :)
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I don't see things like this. I think it is the ones with the most to 
lose who have the most influential and relevant opinion.

That's Nokia.



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