We should keep in mind that the vast majority of Gimp users are not compiling from source. A shell script is not something those folks understand. Their reaction will be... Heh.. Where are all the plugins, this sucks! Then large numbers of them will post to the gimp-devel list wondering WTF happened to all the plugins. Would it be possible to have a menu, something like Xtns > Plugins > Update Plugins... And some sort of cuddley GUI driven crapplet that compares the users plugins to the official plugin FTP archive or one of its mirrors. Users could pick and choose the plugins they would like to upgrade or install and have a chance to un-install stuff they don't like. Its been stated many times on this list that our goal it to make the GIMP _better_ than any other similar program, bar none. IMHO you can't be the best if you ship without plugins and expect your user community to compile from source. Thanks for your consideration. -- Jon Winters http://www.obscurasite.com/ "Everybody loves the GIMP!" http://www.gimp.org/