I have to admit, this is the most painful Fedora installation I have ever done. (And I have used them all.) The networking came up as IPv6 *only*. My router does not do IPv6 and my ISP (Qwest) does not know when their network ever will. In order to get it to work I had to hack files in /etc/sysconfig and use dhclient to get an address since the Network Manager applet is dumbed down to absolute worthlessness. (More on that later.) The networking problems seem to have been fixed, but there were far too many of them. (Having no default route for fixed IP addresses was a pain.) If I were to grade Gnome 3 it would be "incomplete". It looks nice, but it is missing large chunks of functionality. For example, network configuration is useless. Gnome screen saver's config panel is no where to be found. To switch the desktop with a mouse now takes 2-3 clicks where it used to take one. There are no applets to be found. The desktop is bare, unless you use an the Gtweakui program to hack it. (Which most users will not ever know about since it is not installed by default.) The option to use the "classic style" is a lie. It is still Gnome 3, but with a kinda-sorta Gnome 2 look. (With all the above still missing.) Gnome 2 had similar problems. When it was first released, it was dumbed down and was lacking most of the functionality of Gnome 1. Now that they finally have Gnome 2 working well I guess they felt they had to pitch it all out and start over. This new design looks nice, but is not that usable. A UI should make it easier to get to what you want to do, not add useless mouse clicks. My biggest complaint though is the kernel. I am getting kernel panics in ext4! (When I can get a log I will post it. It does not get written to disk since the filesystem dies.) Another thing... I cannot find a way to disable the Nouveau kernel module. I have tried all the methods that worked before (rdblacklist and the modules blacklist.) Nothing seems to work. I am going to have to rebuild the kernel rpm. Why is this more difficult? The reason I went to this version when I did was due to a sort of double bind. Fedora 13 uses 2.6.34. USB3 does not work well with that kernel. (I have already spoken with the maintainer. She thinks she knows the cause and is going to backport the patch.) 2.6.35+ works with USB3, but another program I use often does not work with my hand-rolled kernel. (Threading issue.) Upgrade seemed like a good option. Now I am not so sure. Hopefully I will be able to make this thing work. I may have to go to KDE for a bit until the Gnome developers finish writing it. (How long that will take, I have no idea...) -- test mailing list test@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test