Re: Why was a kernel-2.6.34 pushed to updates that had un-addressed bugs. / Every OS sucks!

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On Fri, 2010-09-10 at 23:55 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> 
> 
> On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 10:03 AM, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
>         On Thu, Sep 09, 2010 at 16:23:12 -0500,
>          John Morris <jmorris@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
>         > On Thu, 2010-09-09 at 00:14 -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
>         > > On Wed, Sep 08, 2010 at 23:18:00 -0500,
>         > >   John Morris <jmorris@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
>         > > >
>         > > > And of course Network-Manager isn't optional anymore.
>          Oh no, you can't
>         
>         
>         That is not the behavior I see. I run desktops without
>         NetworkManager
>         running (but installed) and there is no problem with firefox.
>         (I don't
>         use evolution or empathy.)
> 
> Same observation here.  I think if you leave NM enabled but it is not
> connected yet for some reason, you will see the offline behavior
> reported by John Morris.  Otherwise his rant is inaccurate.   

Actually, I suspect it's a result of this bug:

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=630490

until the fix for that gets pushed, in F14, if you use systemd and
'disable' NetworkManager.service, NM will still get started up by bus
activation, hence you'll get the bad behaviour.
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