Re: Why was a kernel-2.6.34 pushed to updates that had un-addressed bugs. / Every OS sucks!

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On Thu, Sep 09, 2010 at 16:23:12 -0500,
  John Morris <jmorris@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
> On Thu, 2010-09-09 at 00:14 -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
> > On Wed, Sep 08, 2010 at 23:18:00 -0500,
> >   John Morris <jmorris@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > 
> > > And of course Network-Manager isn't optional anymore.  Oh no, you can't
> > 
> > You can still run the network service. You use chkconfig to turn it on.
> > If you don't need wireless, turning off NetworkManager doesn't seem to
> > be a problem, but it's also possible to run both at the same time.
> 
> No it isn't.  If NM isn't managing a connection to the Internet then
> Firefox (fixable), Evolution, Empathy and almost certainly other apps go
> into offline mode.  You can still run a server without NetworkManager
> but a desktop install now requires that it be installed and managing
> your connection.  Been there, tried that and have the t-shirt.

That is not the behavior I see. I run desktops without NetworkManager
running (but installed) and there is no problem with firefox. (I don't
use evolution or empathy.)
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