Rahul Sundaram wrote:
Richard Hally wrote:
Hi all,
Jeff Spaleta wrote:
On 1/22/06, goemon@xxxxxxxxx <goemon@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
so far it seems like almost everyone wants it back and you're the
only one
arguing for its removal. perhaps this should tell you something
Yeah everyone else in this discussion is insane.
I'm arguing for removal. In fact I'm arguing for removal of all
package choice in the interactive Core installer so that an
installation of core only gives you a default set of packages and
everything else happens post install or via kickstart.
Or "everything else" is extras or somewhere else.
Consider the proposition that "If it's good enough to be included in
Core it good enough to be installed on my system"
Thats too generic. Is all of the software thats available in core needed
to be installed simultaneously and is using all of them together a
common scenario?
You(Rahul) still don't get it! It's not about "using them all together"
at all. Yes, it is about installing "everything" in Core at one
time(install time!) *easily*. It's a usability / easy-of-use issue. It's
about giving users the choice. If they want to - let then. Who are you
to know better than users what they want to do. You can't seem to
imagine any use cases. Your idea that developers know better than users
what users want to do is flat wrong and smacks of paternalism.
Are you forgetting the "non-internet access" use case? Or what about
the person that only has a very slow connection(e.g. dial-up) and
installs his system from the CDs he borrowed from his buddy and
returns them after the install?
You realize that work is being done to create ISO images of Fedora
Extras packages too. right. Even you could that do that today.
Does kickstart install from CDs?
BTW, there is a bugzilla for kickstart not working with an everything
selection.
Report number?
Search on "anaconda everything".
And what makes Rahul think he knows the difference better than others?
(wink,wink)
Oh please guys. Listen before responding. I presented very detailed
reasons why I think it is not a good thing.
And all those reasons are bogus and do not apply to the usability/ease
of use of the package selection part of the installer.
Now will any of you present
a few different use cases that make it obsoletely require within the
single click in the installer GUI itself instead of merely lobbying for
a change without specifying the reasons why you use this option at all.
Several people have already given you "use cases" but this is not about
your opinion that an "everything" install is not useful. It's about
those users that want to do it (in spite of your opinion) being able to
do it easily. Trying to make it difficult is just arrogance!
HTH
Richard Hally
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