Good points. On Wed, 2005-13-04 at 22:00 -0500, John Morris wrote: > On Wed, 2005-04-13 at 20:07, Chris Adams wrote: > > > GRUB is not "broken" in a RAID1 environment (broken to me means it > > doesn't work at all). It doesn't do what you'd like, but that is > > because it works differently. All it takes to install GRUB on multiple > > members of a software RAID1 /boot is (this is from a kickstart I have > > around, although I haven't tried it in a while): > > Broken in the sense that a non expert isn't likely to recover from > common failure modes like installing or updating Windows and losing the > MBR. If you aren't doing RAID1 you have easy options, the best being to > install Grub into the root partition instead of the MBR or at least > being able to boot a rescue CD and just saying "grub-install /dev/hda". > With a RAID1 and Grub you had better be a wizard. > > Yes there has been a lot of patching for FC4t1 to address these issues, > but it would be hubris to think enough diverse systems have been tested > at this stage of the game. Booting is one of the only areas that have > to deal with 16bit real mode BIOS biodiversity hell. > > > No, it is the time for those that think there is a problem to test the > > fix (that is the point of test releases and this mailing list). If > > nobody reports any problems with the test release, then the developers > > will assume that the problem is fixed and move on. If LILO users are > > doing nothing but ranting and calling people names, they'll never know > > if the fix works for them, so the developers won't find out if there are > > still corner cases that need work. > > Hey, I finally made peace with Grub to the point where I can use it. But > I ain't a newbie and I don't particularly like that it is HARDER to use > if you want to do anything unusual. It is probably going to remain > being a badly ported BSD/HURD solution with it's alien (to a linux user) > drive naming conventions. Yes Grub has a command line mode. Big whoop, > if something goes wrong I boot a rescue disc instead because that > solution WILL work, and has worked often enough in the past I'm > comfortable with it. > > It makes perfect sense to make Grub the default boot loader because a) > it has been for several years and does work for most users, b) it is > destined to be the only one eventually and c) as the default it will be > tested. But if there are any scenarios where Grub still fails those > users are going to be gone and I can't blame them if they don't come > back. > > > Fedora is not a "perpetual beta release". > > You must be using a different Fedora than I do. It ain't Rawhide or Sid, > but it certainly isn't what I'd call a production OS. It is exactly > what it is advertised as, a testbed. > It shouldn't have to be a bloodbath either. > -- > John M. http://www.beau.org/~jmorris This post is 100% M$Free! > Geekcode 3.1:GCS C+++ UL++++$ P++ L+++ W++ w--- Y++ b++ 5+++ R tv- e* r >