Bravo. Very well put. On Wed, 2005-13-04 at 21:11 -0400, Paul Iadonisi wrote: > I'd like to make a suggestion to those other than John Morris who have > posted to this thread railing against grub. Read John's post (the first > one titled 'A rant regarding LILO and various other related issues' and > study it HARD. > And then thank him. > Why? Because HIS rant got at least my attention for one reason[1]. > And that is that he didn't start off by directly insulting developers. > You want help? You want attention to whatever problems you are having? > You darn well better show some decency and respect to those from you are > looking for help FOR FREE and not refer to them as morons or other > slurs. Sure it won't *guarantee* help if John is correct in his rant > (though I make no judgment in favor or against what he described at this > time), but it will most definitely guarantee that you do get ignored > when you insult people. > This isn't about inflated egos. It's about basic self respect. You > wanna push someone around, then go back to the schoolyard. Or maybe a > Debian mailing list ;-). > > [1] Not only did it get my attention, but it convinced me that lilo does > in fact need to still be included at least for FC4, but should the > problems that are now claimed to be fixed, truly BE fixed in the latest > version of grub, then lilo should, finally, disappear from FC5. The > point being that the software RAID 1 bug was JUST purportedly fixed (and > needs testing). Lilo should be included until FC4 gets wider (non- > testing) exposure. But I do believe that lilo support should be removed > from the installer, but release notes (or some entry in a Wiki) could be > provided for doing an install and then, before the reboot, manually > installing lilo and running it. That release note should also strongly > urge anyone who has to take those steps to file bugs with *detailed* > information about their hardware and configuration. > -- > -Paul Iadonisi > Senior System Administrator > Red Hat Certified Engineer / Local Linux Lobbyist > Ever see a penguin fly? -- Try Linux. > GPL all the way: Sell services, don't lease secrets > -- Guy Fraser Network Administrator The Internet Centre 1-888-450-6787 (780)450-6787