I just checked the Redhat and Fedora distros which I still have around. Here are the Lilo versions: 7.1 21.4.4-13 7.2 21.4.4-14 7.3 21.4.4-14 8.0 21.4.4-20 9 21.4.4-22 FC1 21.4.4-24 FC2 21.4.4-25 FC3 21.4.4-26 Most of the version bumps were for new Redhat releases and involved no source changes. There was only one patch to Redhat's Lilo in the last two years: a single #define. Lilo version 21.4.4 actually dates back to 2000. So we have a package that is essential in some circumstances, that costs next to nothing to maintain, and that takes up <0.1% of a CD's space. The experience of many people in the real world is that even a five year old version of Lilo is more reliable than today's Grub. Certainly a five year old version of Lilo handles software RAID better than today's Grub. And so the cardinals of the Redhat vatican issue a bull banning Lilo. FLOSS didn't used to be like this. When did the world change? --Mike Bird