On 6/13/2014 6:47 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Fri, 2014-06-13 at 18:20 -0400, David wrote: >> On 6/13/2014 5:50 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: >>> On Fri, 2014-06-13 at 17:13 -0400, David wrote: >>>> On 6/13/2014 4:33 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: >>>>> On Fri, 2014-06-13 at 07:34 +0100, Frank Murphy wrote: >>>>>>> If DNF is going to replace yum, it should have reasonable equivalent >>>>>>> tools. Those working on DNF should know about the yum-utils programs >>>>>>> and the yum plugins we have already. "Community" means different to >>>>>>> different people, Community of users or sysadmins? Users will likely >>>>>>> never use yum-utils. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>> Shawn >>>>>> >>>>>> User here. >>>>>> yum-utils installed for years. >>>>>> Every home PC user is a sysadmin by default. >>>>> >>>>> It's a bit pointless to say you 'use yum-utils' or not, because >>>>> yum-utils is a big grab bag of a whole bunch of stuff. It'd be most >>>>> useful for people to note which yum-utils they use *precisely* which do >>>>> not yet have a dnf equivalent. >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I *think* what Frank is saying is that *before* Fedora bails on YUM for >>>> dnf there should be similar (better?) tools. That is unless dnf does not >>>> crap out like YUM does from time to time. Or Fedup stops failing for >>>> some users. My 2 cents. >>> >>> What I'm saying is that there really isn't much that links the tools in >>> yum-utils. Some of them are very important. Some of them probably >>> aren't. It would help the dnf devs and others with prioritizing the >>> development of replacements to know which ones are the most important. >>> >> >> >> Okay then. I have said before this 'stuff' is above my pay-grade. I >> don't do this 'stuff' for a living. >> >> So you (someone) should come up with some instructions so that Joe >> Average User (me), or Jane Average User, can learn to write a RFE >> (name?) to bugzilla. Or where Joe User (me), or Jane Average User, can >> politely contact the devs. Not 'how do I' questions. But 'what about >> this' suggestions. >> >> Me (Joe Average User) still has a bad taste in my mouth from how Redhat >> 5.2 help lists treated me when I finally got it installed and working >> and I asked Newbie questions. That got me switched to another, more >> friendly, distribution. You should remember it. You were "The Club >> Monkey" there. When it 'died' and some devs forked it I still followed >> them. It works well BTW. >> >> Please don't let Fedora improve itself to destruction. >> >> You have a good day Adam. > > Um. I just asked for people to say which ones of the commands in > yum-utils they use, instead of just saying they use "yum-utils". The > point is that yum-utils isn't one cohesive code base someone can sit > down and "port to dnf", it's a grab bag of tools thrown together in a > package without really a lot of rhyme or reason. Most of them are > independent of each other and can be ported to dnf separately from each > other. > > I didn't ask you to file RFEs on Bugzilla, just to say which in > particular of the yum-utils tools you find most important. > Truce flag? I use, more often that I like, package-cleanup --dupes & package-cleanup --cleandupes. Sometimes, when things are acting strangely, package-cleanup --problems So? May i ask where, or to who, to I forward this to thr dnf devs? -- David -- test mailing list test@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
