On Fri, 2014-06-13 at 18:20 -0400, David wrote: > On 6/13/2014 5:50 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > > On Fri, 2014-06-13 at 17:13 -0400, David wrote: > >> On 6/13/2014 4:33 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > >>> On Fri, 2014-06-13 at 07:34 +0100, Frank Murphy wrote: > >>>>> If DNF is going to replace yum, it should have reasonable equivalent > >>>>> tools. Those working on DNF should know about the yum-utils programs > >>>>> and the yum plugins we have already. "Community" means different to > >>>>> different people, Community of users or sysadmins? Users will likely > >>>>> never use yum-utils. > >>>>> > >>>>> Thanks, > >>>>> Shawn > >>>> > >>>> User here. > >>>> yum-utils installed for years. > >>>> Every home PC user is a sysadmin by default. > >>> > >>> It's a bit pointless to say you 'use yum-utils' or not, because > >>> yum-utils is a big grab bag of a whole bunch of stuff. It'd be most > >>> useful for people to note which yum-utils they use *precisely* which do > >>> not yet have a dnf equivalent. > >>> > >> > >> > >> I *think* what Frank is saying is that *before* Fedora bails on YUM for > >> dnf there should be similar (better?) tools. That is unless dnf does not > >> crap out like YUM does from time to time. Or Fedup stops failing for > >> some users. My 2 cents. > > > > What I'm saying is that there really isn't much that links the tools in > > yum-utils. Some of them are very important. Some of them probably > > aren't. It would help the dnf devs and others with prioritizing the > > development of replacements to know which ones are the most important. > > > > > Okay then. I have said before this 'stuff' is above my pay-grade. I > don't do this 'stuff' for a living. > > So you (someone) should come up with some instructions so that Joe > Average User (me), or Jane Average User, can learn to write a RFE > (name?) to bugzilla. Or where Joe User (me), or Jane Average User, can > politely contact the devs. Not 'how do I' questions. But 'what about > this' suggestions. > > Me (Joe Average User) still has a bad taste in my mouth from how Redhat > 5.2 help lists treated me when I finally got it installed and working > and I asked Newbie questions. That got me switched to another, more > friendly, distribution. You should remember it. You were "The Club > Monkey" there. When it 'died' and some devs forked it I still followed > them. It works well BTW. > > Please don't let Fedora improve itself to destruction. > > You have a good day Adam. Um. I just asked for people to say which ones of the commands in yum-utils they use, instead of just saying they use "yum-utils". The point is that yum-utils isn't one cohesive code base someone can sit down and "port to dnf", it's a grab bag of tools thrown together in a package without really a lot of rhyme or reason. Most of them are independent of each other and can be ported to dnf separately from each other. I didn't ask you to file RFEs on Bugzilla, just to say which in particular of the yum-utils tools you find most important. -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | XMPP: adamw AT happyassassin . net http://www.happyassassin.net -- test mailing list test@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
