On 6/13/2014 5:50 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Fri, 2014-06-13 at 17:13 -0400, David wrote: >> On 6/13/2014 4:33 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: >>> On Fri, 2014-06-13 at 07:34 +0100, Frank Murphy wrote: >>>>> If DNF is going to replace yum, it should have reasonable equivalent >>>>> tools. Those working on DNF should know about the yum-utils programs >>>>> and the yum plugins we have already. "Community" means different to >>>>> different people, Community of users or sysadmins? Users will likely >>>>> never use yum-utils. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> Shawn >>>> >>>> User here. >>>> yum-utils installed for years. >>>> Every home PC user is a sysadmin by default. >>> >>> It's a bit pointless to say you 'use yum-utils' or not, because >>> yum-utils is a big grab bag of a whole bunch of stuff. It'd be most >>> useful for people to note which yum-utils they use *precisely* which do >>> not yet have a dnf equivalent. >>> >> >> >> I *think* what Frank is saying is that *before* Fedora bails on YUM for >> dnf there should be similar (better?) tools. That is unless dnf does not >> crap out like YUM does from time to time. Or Fedup stops failing for >> some users. My 2 cents. > > What I'm saying is that there really isn't much that links the tools in > yum-utils. Some of them are very important. Some of them probably > aren't. It would help the dnf devs and others with prioritizing the > development of replacements to know which ones are the most important. > Okay then. I have said before this 'stuff' is above my pay-grade. I don't do this 'stuff' for a living. So you (someone) should come up with some instructions so that Joe Average User (me), or Jane Average User, can learn to write a RFE (name?) to bugzilla. Or where Joe User (me), or Jane Average User, can politely contact the devs. Not 'how do I' questions. But 'what about this' suggestions. Me (Joe Average User) still has a bad taste in my mouth from how Redhat 5.2 help lists treated me when I finally got it installed and working and I asked Newbie questions. That got me switched to another, more friendly, distribution. You should remember it. You were "The Club Monkey" there. When it 'died' and some devs forked it I still followed them. It works well BTW. Please don't let Fedora improve itself to destruction. You have a good day Adam. -- David -- test mailing list test@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
