On Mon, 06 Jan 2014 15:13:48 +0000 "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" <johannbg@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > On 01/06/2014 02:52 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: > > Hi Fedora test and QA folks! I posted a (kind of long) message on > > Fedora devel with some thoughts about the direction of the project > > in the next year. A lot of it directly affects -- and is affected > > by, of course -- Fedora QA, and the whole third section about > > increased automation is basically all about QA/QE and release > > engineering. > > Beside hyperkitty and or just the entire "virtual flock" idea of > yours being far from product ready and not suitable as somekind of > community infrastructure as well as the entire concept of WG being > broken ( with the exception of the base WG which work will be > beneficial when that effort goes south ) > > We are 30 people tops ( 20 more likely ) contributing on even bases > with maybe what couple of hours to spare per week and of those 20 > there are what <10 RH employees so as you can see we dont have any > resources to do any ( wg or automation ) for that glorious future of > yours and any kind of output from the WG's but by all means continue > to dream. While I agree that the stuff in matt's email seems a little on the ambitious side, I don't really agree with your statements about not being able to do anything about it. One of the reasons that we're working on automation and tooling is to support the stuff that may be coming with fedora.next. Another reason is to decrease the insane amount of mind-numbing busywork that we do for _every_ release. If we can make the testing/validation process more efficient and more sane, I think that we can decrease the workload per person, attract more people to testing and scale all at the same time. It'll take some work to get to that point and there's no way it'll happen without support from the WGs, packagers and people not currently involved with qa. I want to focus on getting the base automation working well so that we can go to the WGs with "here's our automation system and this is how you write tasks for it. we'll help with getting tasks run but you all need to maintain the ones specific to you and commit to keeping an eye on the output". Anyhow, that's the plan in my head. I'm sure there'll be bumps in the road and changes before it's all said and done but it's a start :) Tim
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