On Sat, 2013-12-14 at 22:27 -0500, Richard Ryniker wrote: > Has Fedora QA discussed how much effort they should or can invest in > organization and facilitation of others' test activities? Direct > testing scales (approximately) linearly with number of people, but > education, organization, and leadership has the potential to scale at > greater multiples. > > |-----------------------------------------------------------------------| > | Great opportunity! Become a Fedora test franchisee. We'll provide | > | directions, training, and all the materials you need, so you too can | > | participate in this fast-moving field. Gain experience, recruit | > | others, become a Test Manager and train new Testers. With 10 or | > | more Testers, select your own Test Managers (each of whom will direct | > | at least five Testers) and advance to the Test Director level. With | > | five Test Managers, become a Test Executive... | > |-----------------------------------------------------------------------| It's a cute idea, but I'm firmly of the opinion that stuff like this just doesn't _work_ in a project like Fedora. It's a cliche that geeks and engineers aren't huge fans of 'bureaucracy' and 'management', and this is pure management - drawing up a nice little hierarchical org chart and giving people job titles. Does the Test Executive get a corner office and a nice chair? :) I kid, but you get the point. I don't know of a F/OSS project which has a strict pyramid structure and cutesy job titles like this, and that's for a reason: the whole "F/OSS is a meritocracy / F/OSS is a do-ocracy" thing has its own problem of bias and so on, but it is a _fairly_ accurate reflection of how F/OSS work actually happens in one respect: it's mostly the case that the work is done by the people who show up, and there usually isn't some kind of obvious hierarchy like you describe. I mean, we don't have Test Executives and Test Directors and Testers inside the QA group, so why would we expect it to work for other groups to do it? The general idea of trying to get other groups more involved in testing their own stuff is obviously a good one, but I don't think that's the right approach to achieve it :) -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | XMPP: adamw AT happyassassin . net http://www.happyassassin.net -- test mailing list test@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
