It was clear at the Go/No-Go meeting today that KDE SIG does not consider this release criterion applicable/desired: "All applications that can be launched using the standard graphical mechanism of a release-blocking desktop after a default installation of that desktop must start successfully and withstand a basic functionality test." https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_20_Final_Release_Criteria#Default_application_functionality jreznik says they consider the live image their 'polished product' where everything must work, while the DVD install is more of a grab-bag - they install a whole bunch of stuff, and don't think it's the end of the world if one or two bits are broken. Given that, I propose re-wording as follows: "All applications that can be launched using the standard graphical mechanism of a release-blocking live image after an installation of that image must start successfully and withstand a basic functionality test." So, that doesn't just apply to KDE. True, but I actually think it's a reasonable revision for GNOME as well. It makes sense to see the live images as defining what our 'polished core desktops' consist of, and the DVD as more of a grab-bag of packages. The lives will (should) always contain the bits the desktop SIGs think are absolutely key pieces of the desktop. And I think we could generally do with a bit of criteria watering-down; we're starting to do a lot of fudges and waives, which indicates the criteria are currently too tight for us to realistically enforce. Things are better when we can stand solidly behind the criteria without fudging stuff. CCing KDE and desktop lists. If folks feel that we should restrict this change to KDE only, please do yell, but I'm kinda liking the simple version. -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | XMPP: adamw AT happyassassin . net http://www.happyassassin.net -- test mailing list test@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
