-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 09/24/2013 02:44 PM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: > I'm not sure what that response is supposed to be adding to the > discussion since it's a well known fact the discomfort it brings > to reporters to have them go upstream to report. On a more fundamental note: Fedora isn't just upstream-slapped-with-a-specfile. As a distribution the resposibility is more complex: - - Distribution-specific problems that come from the selection of versions and dependencies. - - Distribution-specific problems coming from "own" projects like installer, update management etc. Combined with the different set of expectations from users versus maintainers versus developers. There will always be a need to track fedora-specific issues (note that I say issues, not bugs!). And once you accept the need for that, the rest follows. Your proposal effectively ignores the distribution speficic part. I (and quite some others, I guess) have a different view. From distribution to upstream to distribution. You cannot ignore the distribution part. You cannot ignore the difference between issues and bugs. You cannot wipe all that away without causing severe problems. Sending users to upstream doesn't work. It will upset upstream and force users to jump through even more hoops. Maintaininhg a working relationship with upstream is a very responsible task that should not be decentralized. That's my take to sum it all up. Don't go there :-) Jan - -- Jan H Wildeboer | EMEA Open Source Affairs | Office: +49 (0)89 205071-207 Red Hat GmbH | Mobile: +49 (0)174 33 23 249 Technopark II, Haus C | Fax: +49 (0)89 205071-111 Werner-von-Siemens-Ring 11 -15 | 85630 Grasbrunn | _____________________________________________________________________ Reg. Adresse: Red Hat GmbH, Technopark II, Haus C, Werner-von-Siemens-Ring 11 -15 85630 Grasbrunn, Handelsregister: Amtsgericht Muenchen HRB 153243 Geschaeftsfuehrer: Mark Hegarty, Charlie Peters, Michael Cunningham, Charles Cachera _____________________________________________________________________ GPG KeyID: 59E022AA GPG Fingerprint: 1222 D871 BC4D AF82 D55C 46E7 4D83 56FE 59E0 22AA -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJSQY4NAAoJEE2DVv5Z4CKqmjkH/1sIfvSmG+zU/HH6SFsLY7Zl hqrFI9qYhKlwgEIGpasNCbmQmMg2ydVTZcXkAIQH2TzQxA56DTl0Pms49tD9wKNh i2JYpTuwKRtSpIvP1RxYKa8c6It3UwHFqOQa6jKzN21OLGFHapUDbjfqDInTZ8t1 4wscVWCbsKPdb65fkRQ8TFEIOUSve84xjC/dGIZafL+Bbpyoej/Fss6KcBZShJhm TsqCHDcpJbwCBgFFItpr5p+b5dXu7ZDP/7oqjV7XjCqLHeU7zn7zpX3EI/V/9Yq6 q6qF6JKD6xIOAmusDV5ljnJcj2oikx3fDCvlDEn5IjwDaBZOUBxrBmOwmTm6Tkw= =Ajm2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- test mailing list test@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
