On Tue, 2012-12-04 at 05:35 -0500, Felix Miata wrote: > On 2012-12-03 23:20 (GMT-0800) Adam Williamson composed: > > > If you read the timestamps on the blog posts and design stuff we > > keep trying to persuade you to read, you will note that newUI has been > > under development for at least two years. > > The results I found have been two years in the making? Yikes!!! Yes. I do keep saying this stuff is hard and encouraging you to read the design documentation and relevant blogs to understand how we got to where we are. I don't know why this is apparently so difficult. > I don't recall you mentioning any blog in posts except > http://blog.linuxgrrl.com/, where I had to hit Ctrl-+ 5 times to read it, at > which point there was horizontal scroll with the browser fullscreen, and the > text contained in its Anaconda images remained a mere 1/4 the size of my > browser UI. The first date I found there was September 25, 2012, about 10 > weeks ago. It's a blog. It has an archive. So strictly, newUI as a project really began at FUDCon Tempe, in January 2011 - just a month short of two years: http://blog.linuxgrrl.com/2011/06/16/making-fedora-easier-to-use-the-installer-ux-redesign/ But Mo had already been thinking about re-designing storage stuff as far back as August 2009: http://blog.linuxgrrl.com/2009/08/12/anaconda-advanced-storage-devices/ > > You do not appear to be making any effort at all to understand newUI > > My effort has proven all but fruitless. When you posted that list of 5 new > bugs, I did formulate and begin a new plan. The obstacles to proceeding with > that plan further exhausted me and available time. If someone who has been > multibooting multiple machines with Linux since last century can't figure it > out in less than a day, how's the average n00b going to fare, or even a > non-n00b Fedora regular who is not also a regular testing participant? I don't know, and neither do you: that's why the team is planning in-person usability testing after the f18 release. We've had a range of reactions to the new design from existing experienced users; so far as I know, no 'n00b' has tried it at all yet, as n00bs don't run Fedora betas. Sometimes being a multibooting expert who refuses to read documentation or explanations makes things harder, not easier. :) > As noted upthread, "this stuff is hard". All I need is what Mandriva/Mageia > provide via cmdline option readonly=1 to select mount points among existing > partitions, so maybe there's no reason for me to continue participating in > Anaconda partitioning testing or discussion any time soon. I don't see how the conclusion 'there's no reason for me to help test this new installer design' follows from the premise 'there's another installer whose design I am familiar with'. A Fedora Beta is not there for you to use it, it's there for you to test it. If you take the time to test it and provide constructive feedback, we definitely appreciate that. If you try it out and then yell at us and tell us it's garbage, we don't appreciate that so much, because it doesn't help us in any way. If you don't want to contribute your time to testing it, then that's perfectly fine: it is of course entirely up to you. But saying you'll only test something if it works really well appears to be putting the cart before the horse. -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | identi.ca: adamwfedora http://www.happyassassin.net -- test mailing list test@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
