On Thu, 2010-04-15 at 13:02 +0200, Joerg Simon wrote: > Am Donnerstag, 15. April 2010 11:41:39 schrieb Jan Wildeboer: > > I am more fearful of an opposite possibility. That companies can "buy" > > themselves in to Fedora marketing. Noboidy brought this up *yet* but > > soonish someone will propose that companies could "sponsor" this. It is > > a natural thing to think about but it would be so wrong to do. > > We promote Fedora and EPEL to companies "as the possibility to have "their" > Software packaged/maintained along our guidelines on a stable enviroment with > a broad userbase - and that it is good to become a community member by > maintaining it together" - with all the benefits that are related - we get more > features, users and contributors and they get a out of the box working product > in Fedora and EPEL to have a better market penetration. This sounds like a > good symbiosis. It is strange someone pulls the issue "market penetration" when before on this very same list the topic was aborded in a very different way. I don't believe there is coherence here. So we are expanding or not expanding? So our target is developers or mainstream users ? I'm getting really loose of the real targets of Fedora once more... > > > And with complete I mean that any fedora user must be able to use all > > the features of a project in the repos. If whatever part of the expected > > featureset needs external and possibly non-opne components, we cannot > > promote it. > > "any fedora user" is able to use all the features that zarafa provides to all > fedora-users! > We do not care for proprietary windows-connectors that are out there to > connect to databases, frameworks, application ... in fedora! Nice. But as Jan mentioned before, the issue is around: Should we promote it or not? We are full of load, it's a waste of manpower to support stuff that comes in a pesky way. By the way, might not be the best metaphore, but what is Fedora position regarding Tomboy ? why are we not highlighting Tomboy and instead going Gnote way? Shouldn't we be prioritizing FOSS ? > > > Zarafa is not positioning itself on its own website as "All advantages > > of Micrososft Exchange at 50% of the costs" [1]. The version we have in > > the repos also seems to have a limit of 3 outlook users according to > > [2]. > > So in this specific case I do have some pain in promoting it. I > > would even go as far as saying that if the version of Zarafa in Fedora > > really has this 3 user limit it is against the philosophy and spirit of > > Fedora. > > Jan, Zarafa in the Open Source version does not support outlook! > And it is not about Outlook or Zarafa marketing! So is it "open core" or "open source"? Mind to explain for dummies, cause now I am confused. Is there two of them? > > > But that is not my call. As Zarafa is in the repos, I am sure this > > aspect has been throughly checked. > > why mention it then ;) > > > But as outlook integreation is a strong selling point for Zarafa, our > > users will expect this functionality to work. If it doesn't do that, we > > have a problem. > > It is about Fedora Users! The Users expect the Zarafa Open Source Framework > and this is what they get. With all features! > > > And that is why I am not supportive of promoting it > > beyond the fact that Zarafa is in the repo. > > We should not discourage the idea to have a good symbioses with other vendors. > The Framework is working and can be used with all Features that a Fedora User > is able to use. It seems to me that this is a very grey area. > > We should be proud that we are the "first" and only who have zarafa build by > ourself in our own infrastructure and not from zarafa itself. It was the > community who felt the need to have it in fedora and they made all the work > together with Zarafa - and Zarafa even changed licences. > > Zarafa is in Fedora and it is a success-story and we should be proud, it > reflects perfectly > > freedom: > freedom to use a Enterprise Groupware without the need to use probrietary > connectors or clients > > features: > the only real working FOSS Groupware with a perfect full featured FOSS > Webinterface > > first: > we are first and only who ship zarafa inside the distribution > > friends: > it is done by a close symbiosis between > Ambassadors (it was me who made started the effort two years ago) > Packagers (it was Robert and Jeroen who stand up and made the all the work) > Vendor (it was Zarafa who helped and showed will to learn and even changed > licences for us!) > > cu Joerg > > -- > marketing mailing list > marketing@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing -- marketing mailing list marketing@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
