Nicola Losito wrote:
Il giorno 22/ago/06, alle ore 06:16, Rahul ha scritto:
Nicola Losito wrote:
When you install and run Ubuntu you got enabled a bunch of features
that doesn't make feel the user on his own (Gnome sounds enabled,
when i'm supposed to enter the sudo password the screen goes dark
leaving only the appropriate window "illuminated" and some other
fancier - yes, useless, but fancier things).
So boils down to eye candy basically.
Nope.
It boild down paying attention to fancier, little, useful visual and
"desktop" tricks, that enhance user experience (hidden window asking for
root password instead of something that focuses the attention and so on ...
Are you referring to new dialog boxes that does not receive focus
immediately? Thats a GNOME feature and has been in Fedora for the last
couple of releases.
Why would I? I dont use third party repositories.
Not a viable solution for a lot of people, and not realistic to think
that *now* anyone would drop the use of something they're accoustomed to
have (IMHO). Also, even if Livna or RPMforge are not official
"endorsed", in the Fedora users I know *everyone* who's got it installed
on a personal desktop have got them enabled. So ignoring their exsitence
for me is "childish" ... for the lack of a better word of my knowledge :-(
What should we do about them? We cant officially endorse any third party
repository especially ones that carry non-free software.
and Fedora might not be the right choice for me at that point.
And this isn't a point to be worked on ?
The 90% of people haven't got a nice connection, do we want to cut them
out _also_ because we haven't thought a way to go in their "direction" ??
Italy, one of the 7th most rich and industrialized country in the world
has still no fibre connection, and *DSL are "slow", strongly asymetrical
and most of the time people have got pay per hours connections.
What in Eastern Europe ? South America ? and so on ...
Yum and Pirut is getting support to access and install packages from
media. Pup is getting the ability to classify packages.
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=188750
http://www.csh.rit.edu/~lewk/blog/2006/08/15/pup_enhancements
This wouldnt solve the problem of getting updates over a dial up
connection.
Here i could make a mistake but:
- http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components
it's clear in the division of what's "ubuntu" or "canonical" and
what's not and also ...
It is pretty simple for Fedora and it is documented in Fedora wiki
pages. Fedora Core is maintained by Red Hat and Fedora Extras, Fedora
Legacy is community maintained.
OK
but to me it seems you're avoiding to see my point :-)
Just that your point was perhaps not clear to me.
In universe / multiverse we have 99% of any additional software one can use.
Then we can se "backports" (and these are self explainatory) a
"commercial" repo by Canonical (which get some way of agreement to
distribute Opera or Real with contracts that - i think - could be
obtained by any distro provided there's interest into it - Skype in
Mandriva installation media comes to my mind too). The rest of "ubuntu
3rd party repos" are for "elite" needs into specific areas.
Again we dont support or include any software repositories that hold
non-free software. Other than that I dont see any difference.
For Fedora we have (at least) the repos listed here:
http://www.fedoratracker.org/tracker.py?mode=repoSearch
where there's no clear policy of what goes where.
This is a community side which tracks all third party repositories. For
formal repositories included with Fedora we have clear policies
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging/Guidelines
I know Fedora can't drive anyone into anything.
But there could be a strict policy on how to provide packages for the
distro.
For repositories included within Fedora there is one already as you can
see above.
This issue i think it's related to the licences present in FC
that's been discussed some (recent) time ago here or in the board list.
When the licence's type area will become more "clear" we should find a
way to make people come into Extras or to Extras-nonfree (to say)
instead of making their "personal" repo, summoning up the community
efforts in few areas.
I'd like my distro to have the major number of precompiled packages
available, no matter what.
Fedora Project will only include Free and open source software.
Things are getting better but if you want to install random
repositories that's really your choice.
Indeed. But if I need these repos to get the software i need /want to
test to run my machine productively and i have permanent, several issues
with them i'll change my distro.
If install random repositories and have permanent issues with them you
should discuss those issues with the repository maintainers.
Again Fedora has come close to my need with 5 and it's mono inclusion
and such, but still it's too "complicated" to make it run on many of my
friend's machines since the issues i see using the various repos (or yum
when they're with slow lines).
I have been present at the times at Fedora and at the time for Ubuntu,
and they since the beginning have fought to be stable as Debian and easy
as RH/SuSE.
Fedora has been (to cite Max's word) "We strive to produce a quality
distribution of free software that is cutting-edge, pushes the envelope
of new open source technology, and is also robust enough that it can be
relied on for server or desktop use."
To me it somewhat sounds like "Fedora is an hacker toy, build to
pleasure is quest for knowledge without crashing every now and then",
which is fine, but then at some point I, as user, and many like me i
think, may leave this land.
Thats a very strange way to read it. Being a robust platform for Free
software is the opposite to a crashing hacker's toy.
Rahul
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