>>>>> "Brandon" == Brandon Holbrook <fedora@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> writes: Brandon> Christopher Stone wrote: >> On 10/12/06, Warren Togami <wtogami@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> >> I am seriously tempted to just modify Frank's package so he will >> quit Fedora. Perhaps we will be better off. LOL! ;-) Brandon> I'm sure there are plenty of others (including myself) who Brandon> had the same thought. Thorsten's written a few times lately Brandon> about his ideal of getting rid of this kind of attitude from Brandon> package maintainers and I completely agree. As a relatively Brandon> new member, I can attest that this foreboding Brandon> 'others-need-not-apply' attitude discourages involvement and Brandon> more importantly the spirit of a community. I'd much rather Brandon> see maintainers take the attitude that many have expressed in Brandon> this thread: "if you need to change something of mine, feel Brandon> free" Brandon> Granted, package maintainers (usually) went to all the work Brandon> of getting their package up-to-snuff for approval and Brandon> continually monitor upstream's mailing lists and Brandon> announcements to stay current, and the feeling of ownership Brandon> and pride is what keeps most of us interested in software in Brandon> the first place. But keep in mind, this is all Open Source Brandon> Software, and more than that this is Fedora, whose sole Brandon> existence is based around _community_ involvement, not Brandon> individuals who happen to be in the same CVS repository. Not to drag this thread out too much longer, but I would like to toss my 2c in as well... I think the change that sparked this thread was good and proper. The maintainer didn't answer a bugzilla query and there were issues that needed to be addressed. Thats fine. I would ask however that people do try and contact the maintainer of a package before just diving in and changing things. There could well be good reasons you are not aware of for the change that you are about to do not being a good idea, ie: - You decide you want to upgrade to the latest version of a package, but the maintainer who follows the upstream list knows this version has serious problems and is waiting for a fixed version. - Your change might break another package that the maintainer knows depends on his package, but you don't realize that. - The change you want to make is minor, and the maintainer is just waiting for some other change to push out a new version. etc... So please email/irc/file bugzilla bug before making changes in others packages. For the record I have no problems with people applying changes to my packages as long as they do so in a sane manner and give me a heads up. ;) Just IMHO. kevin
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