> So I'm still not following where options were weighed up in open > consultation with the community. I agree with your reading of the logs > that suggests: > > * a firm decision taken by some members of the infra team (who? when? > what other options were considered?) > > * a firm decision taken by project leadership to support the previous > decision (who? when? what other options were considered?) > > long before this meeting. > > > I guess I therefore perceive a serious disjoin between: > > * the scenario described above > > * the depiction of the move as having been developed in broad > consultation or being in any way democratic > So, as one of the guys who often lurks in #fedora-admin I know that this has been a problem for some time. Numerous calls for 'someone to maintain t.fp.o' have gone out, and a few different people volunteered in at least the past 6 or so months. Most of the complaints I have seen in the way of tickets about the existing t.fp.o instance came from within l10n, as one would expect. Sadly, the state of that infrastructure hasn't changed much in months. So this problem has existed for some time, calls for help have essentially gone unanswered (whether there was a wide enough audience is a different matter, and I don't know the answer to that, but it's also hard to essentially call out and offer up root access on boxes that are important to fedora if you don't know the people in advance). And unlike a democracy, Fedora's decisions (excepting legal issues and the like) are made by the people who are doing the work, and the work of maintaining fedora's infrastructure is done by infra, and thus they made the decision that something had to change, and that discussion started at FUDcon (actually long before, but really concrete steps started appearing post-fudcon.) I think you've taken the right steps to remediate the situation - eg, identified it's something you care about, and are willing to spend time on, and committed to doing so. Every successful infrastructure project I have seen has needed a long term person like that - whether it was Ian and the wiki, or Jesse (and now dgilmore) with the buildsystems. Every infrastructure project that hasn't had at least one committed person has languished (and now appears on the chopping block). It's not really different than package maintainers orphaning packages (and as a point of reference that notice only goes out to people on -devel) -- docs mailing list docs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/docs
