On Sun, Feb 20, 2011 at 10:33 PM, Ruediger Landmann <r.landmann@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > This decision has greatly saddened and disappointed me. With all respect > to Dmitris and his team, to me, it seems like Fedora is giving up a key > part of our infrastructure and our independence. Sorry for the slow response -- I wasn't keeping up with email for much of the weekend, and didn't see this thread until this morning. I understand your point here regarding our independence, but I don't see any vendor lock-in here. The software is the same open-source software we'd be running on our intrastructure -- it's just that Indifex has offered to take care of the hosting/upgrades/maintenance of it for us. Because it's open source and we have the ability to host it ourselves at any time, it really comes down to a matter of trust. Personally, I can say that I unequivocally trust Dimitris, because I've seen the work he's done in Fedora both as a contributor and a former member of the Fedora Board. > Therefore, I have obtained permission from my manager to put time and > resources into packaging Transifex 1.1 for fedoraproject.org. I have > also had the time and skills of two Red Hat sysadmins allocated to get > Fedora's own instance of Transifex upgraded and migrated ASAP. That's fine, but you need to coordinate that with both the Infrastructure team and the rest of the L10N team. Having spoken to the Infrastructure team about this several times over the past few days, I know their first concern is going to be the dedication of these resources. In other words, they're not just looking for someone who can upgrade us to 1.0 (or 1.1-dev) now, but *guaranteed resources* to keep it upgraded and maintained and bugs fixed over the *long haul*. > I believe that if the Fedora Localization Project is open to the idea, > we could have an up-to-date and fully functional local instance of > Transifex 1.1 available within a week. With all respect Rudi, it's not just about the Localization team... We had meetings last week between the L10N team, the Infrastructure team, the Docs team, FESCo, the Fedora Program Manager, and myself. We weighed all the pros and cons of the move, and we decided as a group to move forward with the migration to transifex.net. We migrated the translations to transifex.net last Friday. We've got a deadline of having the transifex client packaged up and ready to go for package maintainers by this coming Friday. Any delay (or switch to another platform) adds additional burden to our L10N team, especially when we're already past the string freeze and into their translation time. > I also want to take this opportunity to thank Dmitris for his extremely > generous offer to host this massive project on behalf of Fedora. > However, apart from the reasons I gave earlier, I also can't help but > feel that this direction would be grossly unfair on Dmitris and his > business. Indifex is, after all, a commercial venture, and server > resources and bandwidth aren't free of charge -- especially on the scale > contemplated for Fedora. Just before I came to work for Red Hat, I owned > a small IT business myself, and know that every penny counts! :) I don't think Dimitris would have made us the offer to host our translations if he would have thought that it would be unfair to Indifex. I agree that Indifex is a commercial venture and that the work they're offering does cost them money, but if Dimitris and company are OK with that, how can I argue against it? On the maintenance/upgrades side of things, that's work they already have to do for their other clients. On the bandwidth side of things, I'm sure they'll yell if their bandwidth costs get too high, and then we'll make a determination on whether to compensate them for bandwidth, move to being self-hosted again, or find some other solution. May I also suggest that we move this discussion to the logistics mailing list, since the discussion needs to include more people than just the Docs or the Translation teams? -- Jared Smith Fedora Project LEader -- docs mailing list docs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/docs
