On Tue, 2008-10-28 at 17:15 +0100, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > On Tue, 2008-10-28 at 12:00 -0400, Dan Williams wrote: > > On Tue, 2008-10-28 at 16:44 +0100, Olivier Galibert wrote: > > > On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 11:08:03AM -0400, Casey Dahlin wrote: > > > > "Do I /really/ care?" > > > > > > > > Look at the F keys on your keyboard. The whole of your gripe lies within > > > > the space of 6 inches. Lets not have a flame war today. Lets just move > > > > our habits 6 inches to the left and let life be good. > > > > > > 6 inches to the left is the phone. > > > > > > Yes, I care. The self-declared "desktop" guys, which for most of them > > > don't seem to have met a user in their life, have decided a while ago > > > that whoever doesn't fit their imaginary use case is irrelevant and > > > can be ignored. 10+ years old conventions and habits are unimportant > > > and can be ignored if it gives them less work to do what they want to > > > have. This is just one more in a series. > > > > > > Meanwhile, Ubuntu runs rings around Fedora when it comes to popularity > > > for the desktop, and the server experience grows increasingly worse. > > > > Partly because they make hard decisions and ignore certain segments of > > the Linux user-base to produce well-polished, easy-to-use distribution. > > I strongestly disagree - These people are unable to comprehend how they > are running down Fedora and prefer pushing around users. > > > Ubuntu enabled NetworkManager way before we did so in Fedora. > Well chosen example: Ubuntu had been so stupid to adopt an immature > tool aiming at single-user/single-seat laptop users, first. > > One reason for why I am not using Ubuntu. > > > I > > personally wouldn't have done that as early as they did (and I didn't > > push for it in Fedora for that reason), and doing so didn't work for > > some of Ubuntu's users. But they kept it on anyway because for most of > > their target audience, it improved their lives. Otherwise they would > > have turned it off years ago. > > > > Were there Ubuntu users who were pissed off that arcane kernel boot > > messages were covered up by a pretty bootsplash? Did they get angry and > > go away? > > > > Ubuntu is Ubuntu precisely because of the controversial choices that the > > people driving the distribution made. Is their popularity the result of > > the "correctness" of any of these hard choices? Maybe. > Ask yourselves why we are not NOT using Ubuntu - If people wanted Fedora Because they compromise free software in a short-sighted manner by recommending and including proprietary illegally-distributed codecs and bundled binary drivers (or ndiswrapper) and because they don't contribute much back to the community? I don't particularly care where my VTs are at. I learn and adapt, otherwise I'd still be using WordStar or PFWrite or some other crappy DOS application for writing documents, and WinSOCK for my SLIP dialup at 9600bps. Dan -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
