On Tue, 2008-10-28 at 12:00 -0400, Dan Williams wrote: > On Tue, 2008-10-28 at 16:44 +0100, Olivier Galibert wrote: > > On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 11:08:03AM -0400, Casey Dahlin wrote: > > > "Do I /really/ care?" > > > > > > Look at the F keys on your keyboard. The whole of your gripe lies within > > > the space of 6 inches. Lets not have a flame war today. Lets just move > > > our habits 6 inches to the left and let life be good. > > > > 6 inches to the left is the phone. > > > > Yes, I care. The self-declared "desktop" guys, which for most of them > > don't seem to have met a user in their life, have decided a while ago > > that whoever doesn't fit their imaginary use case is irrelevant and > > can be ignored. 10+ years old conventions and habits are unimportant > > and can be ignored if it gives them less work to do what they want to > > have. This is just one more in a series. > > > > Meanwhile, Ubuntu runs rings around Fedora when it comes to popularity > > for the desktop, and the server experience grows increasingly worse. > > Partly because they make hard decisions and ignore certain segments of > the Linux user-base to produce well-polished, easy-to-use distribution. I strongestly disagree - These people are unable to comprehend how they are running down Fedora and prefer pushing around users. > Ubuntu enabled NetworkManager way before we did so in Fedora. Well chosen example: Ubuntu had been so stupid to adopt an immature tool aiming at single-user/single-seat laptop users, first. One reason for why I am not using Ubuntu. > I > personally wouldn't have done that as early as they did (and I didn't > push for it in Fedora for that reason), and doing so didn't work for > some of Ubuntu's users. But they kept it on anyway because for most of > their target audience, it improved their lives. Otherwise they would > have turned it off years ago. > > Were there Ubuntu users who were pissed off that arcane kernel boot > messages were covered up by a pretty bootsplash? Did they get angry and > go away? > > Ubuntu is Ubuntu precisely because of the controversial choices that the > people driving the distribution made. Is their popularity the result of > the "correctness" of any of these hard choices? Maybe. Ask yourselves why we are not NOT using Ubuntu - If people wanted Fedora to be Ubuntu, we weren't using Fedora. Ralf -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
