Ralf Corsepius <rc040203@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > On Fri, 2008-01-25 at 12:12 -0600, Les Mikesell wrote: > > Horst H. von Brand wrote: > > >> If the latter effort fails, > > >> you've still got a solid, working version. > > > If you want "solid, working", why are you messing around with > > > "bleeding-edge apps"?! > > Why are people writing 'bleeding-edge' apps if there is no reason to use > > them? > I guess no reasonable _user_ wants 'bleeding-edge'. I consider myself "reasonable"... but sure, the evaluation comes from awfully close ;-) > I want/need a comprehensive, up2date distribution containing > current/up2date (considered stable) versions of those packages I > actually use. To get to the point of "considered stable" somebodies must do the "considering" (plus the attendant bug fixing)... > As a developer, it's not a major problem for _me_ having to cope with a > couple of issues here and there, but how do you expect "Aunt Tillie" to > cope with them? Perhaps Fedora isn't for her then. There are many alternatives; in the RH-ish range there is CentOS. > Also, with F8 I have been confronted with so many tiny issues, which all > together render productive use of Fedora close to impossible and have > caused me to have doubts on the project's sanity. Have you reported them? [BTW, most of the F8 timeline I was running rawhide, and I was reasonably productive al throughout, except for some short glitches. So I don't buy your "close to impossible to use".] > Interestingly, it's not the "community-maintained packages" some seem to > preferr to accuse to be of low quality, which are causing the trouble, > it's the sum of issues with the "standard/default packages" which are > piling up. Stands to reason, the "standard/default packages" are the foundation of the system. If some obscure game or some piece of glitter malfunctions, it isn't too nice; is the kernel, glibc, or Gnome fail it is fatal. > > A desktop app that crashes once in a while is not a huge problem > > - and wouldn't be a problem at all if there were an option to drop back > > to a more stable version. > > A machine that won't boot or a device driver > > that no longer talks to my hardware is. > Yep, that's one subset amongst several sets of issues I am facing ;) > Fortunately, these happen to be the easy cases. The really nagging ones > are those, one can't identify the cause of. And those get magically fixed by extending the life of a random version with an understaffed crew doing on-and-off bug fixing and backporting? In my experience, they end getting fixed by moving forward. -- Dr. Horst H. von Brand User #22616 counter.li.org Departamento de Informatica Fono: +56 32 2654431 Universidad Tecnica Federico Santa Maria +56 32 2654239 Casilla 110-V, Valparaiso, Chile Fax: +56 32 2797513 -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
