On Sat, Mar 8, 2025, at 10:39 AM, Neal Gompa wrote: > On Sat, Mar 8, 2025 at 10:24 AM Richard W.M. Jones <rjones@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> >> On Sat, Mar 08, 2025 at 07:27:59AM -0800, Michel Lind wrote: >> > - how easy is it to bootstrap the different options (Konflux, Koji, OBS etc)? >> > - how easy is it to run each locally for those who want to dogfood the process or participate in development? >> >> I'm not sure it's really necessary to run all the build systems >> ourselves to evaluate them, but nevertheless ... >> >> Konflux: >> >> Since this seems to be built on Kubernetes, I can tell you already >> that's practically very difficult. A "proper" Kubernetes involves >> having tons of hardware which is way out of range of the hobbyist. >> There are multiple other ways of installing minimal Kubernetes but I >> tried a few and they're all (IMHO) crazy. Also the methods I tried >> downloaded gigantic binary blobs (I mean gigabytes) of unclear provenance. >> > > David Duncan and I tried as well a few times and we haven't had great > success with it yet. Our most recent attempt a few months back got the > UI up but nothing in it worked. It also wasn't possible to deploy on > my laptop to test as I didn't have enough cores and RAM for everything > to work. > I was worried this might be the case. For just evaluating Konflux as a packager this might not be necessary, but for evaluating whether a distribution should use it this seems important especially - for alternative architectures - for, ahem, additional repos on top of the base distro If this is both too heavy to evaluate on recent hardware, and also not reproducibly deployable, it seems to currently be in a state where it has all the drawbacks of Kubernetes but none of the benefits yet? Maybe we should get to a point where people can reasonably deploy it before considering it ready to be evaluated. Best regards, -- _o) Michel Lind _( ) identities: https://keyoxide.org/5dce2e7e9c3b1cffd335c1d78b229d2f7ccc04f2 README: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Salimma#README -- _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
