Re: Schedule for Tuesday's FESCo Meeting (2024-07-23)

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On Wed, Jul 24, 2024 at 12:33 AM Kevin Kofler via devel
<devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
> > #3244 Change: Retire Python 2.7
> > https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/3244
> > APPROVED (+8, 0, 0)
>
> This is going to break the build of a whole bunch of compatibility packages,
> which will in turn break a lot of software in Fedora.
>
> Do you expect packages to do what Qt5WebEngine did for EPEL and bundle their
> own copy of Python 2 to be used at build time? This just does not make any
> sense whatsoever.
>
> For Qt5WebEngine, there is now a patch from Arch Linux to make it build with
> Python 3 that we could apply, but both the Qt 4 and 5 QtWebKit require
> Python 2 to build. As do several other packages, I am pretty sure.

> both the Qt 4 and 5 QtWebKit require Python 2 to build

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Qt 5 has not beent "latest in stable" since 2020.
Python 2 is dead since 2020.
QtWebKit was deprecated in, what, 2016?
Qt4 should've disappeared even earlier than that.

So, no, we don't expect Fedora to go backwards
and bundle long-dead software in dark corners of its packaging.
Quite the opposite of that.
We expect it to go forward full-speed,
ideally good ~5-10 years faster than it does now.

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