Re: F41 Change Proposal: Anaconda as native Wayland application (System Wide)

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On Tue, 2024-06-04 at 14:26 +0200, Jiri Konecny wrote:
> On 04. 06. 24 5:39, Ian Laurie via devel wrote:
> > On 6/1/24 1:04 AM, Adam Williamson wrote:
> > > On Fri, 2024-05-31 at 13:36 +0200, Jiri Konecny wrote:
> > > > To my knowledge it shouldn't be. Fedora Workstation is already
> > > > running
> > > > on Wayland by default for quite some time and even Live ISO is
> > > > already
> > > > Wayland. To my knowledge Wayland don't have issues with
> > > > graphics cards
> > > > in general.
> > > 
> > > GNOME has a fallback mechanism where it automatically runs the
> > > X.org
> > > session if the Wayland session doesn't work. I believe that is
> > > active
> > > on the live image. Of course, as telemetry is evil, we have
> > > absolutely
> > > no idea how many Fedora users actually hit this mechanism.
> > 
> > One comment I would make is that VirtualBox doesn't *properly*
> > support
> > Wayland [yet] requiring GNOME to be run as an Xorg session (of
> > course
> > not an issue for Xfce etc).
> > 
> > If Anaconda is to be Wayland, my concern is that it may make all
> > DEs
> > uninstallable, even ones like Xfce far removed from Wayland.
> > 
> You should be able to install from Live ISO which we are not
> modifying 
> (depends on environment set by SIG owners). However, we won't support
> X11 together with Wayland on boot.iso. That would be hard to achieve 
> given to the big amount of changes we are required to do now to
> support 
> Wayland.


If you can't support X11 together with Wayland on boot.iso , why you
want move to Wayland ? it is stupid break Linux user experience just
because Wayland is fancy , what we get with Wayland that we don't get
with X11 ? if you need remove X11 to add Wayland, don't do it ! . Don't
break the other Linux user systems . Is difficult understand that you
should not remove components without agreement of everyone ? 

Linux should support all kind of hardware, if Wayland don't, you should
provide at least fall backs , and not just ignore the others .

The removal of X11 from KDE , just because KDE SIG decide without
consent of many members of Fedora which contribute to Fedora KDE ,
should not be acceptable .

Waste my energy discussing things that should be obvious , make me
think if I still should contribute to this project . 

Like Linus says "DON'T BREAK THE USER SPACE"

Best regards, 

> Jirka
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