On Mon, Apr 08, 2024 at 02:55:36PM +0200, Emmanuel Seyman wrote: > * Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek [08/04/2024 09:02] : > > > > Well, you and Kevin see "salami tactics" (whatever that may be), > > FTR, I have no idea what "salami tactics" is. > > > while I see normal engineering practice: some new idea is hatched, > > it's implemented and used narrowly, them it's applied by default > > and more widely, and possibly at the end previous methods are > > deprecated. > > This sounds acceptable but is not at all how these changes are proposed. > > An proposal is made, stating explicity that it will be opt-in or target > a subset of the target audience and never even suggesting that the scope > might one day be expanded. > > It is accepted based on that premise and, after a while, changes are > made to make the change default or opt-out, leaving the people who would > not have accepted it had they known they would be forced to use it with > no recourse. > > This is unfriendly (thus violating one of Fedora's core principles) at > best and deceitful at worst. > > > The alternative would be to have "grand plans" where we decide that > > some technology will be used by default and mandatory before we deploy > > it widely and get feedback. > > Another alternative would be not lie to the target audience by > initially claiming that the change is opt-in. Yet another alternative > would be to not go back on this claim. There is one flaw in the reasoning here, as one of the original person behind rpmautospec (with Nils who arguably has done more for it than me), you can see that neither of us are involved in this proposal nor this discussion. So it's a bit unfair to qualify that this was/is a lie and that the goal from the get go when the change is being asked/proposed by someone else. So no, it was not a lie, the goal was to make it opt-in. It is still the agreed behavior and if someone proposes to change it, it's still not a lie. It would be a lie if at that time, I would have thought: "this is going to be awesome and we'll end up forcing it but for now I won't present it as such". Let's look at it in another way: would you say that the people who leaved in the 14th century were liars for saying that the earth is flat? No, they just didn't know. Things/context changes and with this our knowledge or opinions. That doesn't mean where we started from was a lie, it was just a different time/context. So please, express your feeling in another way and don't use that word. Thanks, Pierre -- _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
