Re: F42 Change Proposal: Fedora Plasma Workstation (System-Wide)

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Am 04.04.24 um 00:44 schrieb Kevin Kofler via devel:
Leon Fauster via devel wrote:
I already had RHL installed on a Sun IPX with Gnome, so I'm biased.

Interesting that you were not put off by the changes that have happened to
GNOME since the old RHL days. I tried GNOME 1 at one point long ago, it was
actually pretty good. (It was very configurable back then. Remember when it
shipped Enlightenment as the window manager, how many options that had?)
Then GNOME 2 came, removing much of the configurability of GNOME 1. And then
GNOME 3 came, removing AGAIN much of the remaining configurability of GNOME
2, leading to a very hardcoded experience. GNOME 2 was already too much for
me, and I switched back to KDE, back because I had already tried KDE 1.1.1
on another distro. And I have never looked back.


Honestly, I know both worlds of the desktop environment paradigms. Therefore I do not compare these two because its pointless. Both follow
some design principles and addresses different goals. If KDE do expose
some knobs to configure something in the UI, its fine. I prefer Gnome
because its more tidier (no diving into dconf/gsettings possibilities).
For the proposal: both DEs are legit, one should not substitute the other.


Well, actually, I wanted to be fair and give GNOME 3 a chance, so I tried it
out once. But it took less than 10 minutes for me to realize that it is not
for me. The user experience is just too unfamiliar (the unified application
menu and open window selector (launch menu AND task bar replacement), the
always maximized windows, the lack of a system tray, the shut down options
in the mouse menu hidden behind a keyboard dead key, etc.), and GNOME does
not make it easy for you to change it. (You can actually get a pretty
standard desktop experience nowadays if you install a lot of "unbreak this",
"unbreak that" GNOME Shell extensions, but that kinda defeats the point of
GNOME.) The default experience felt pretty much unusable to me personally.


10 minutes is not enough to do a remodeling of the "familiar" experience, so that you reaches the so called realm of intuition. The latter is something that we learn over time and the desktop environment does not offer this on its own. It provides only a
framework where this can happen.


KDE Plasma not only has more familiar defaults (actually looking and feeling
much more similar to GNOME 1 than GNOME 3 does), but also lets you easily
change those defaults that you do not like.



PS: Imagine the first CLI steps and the corresponding bad
experience, but we have not given up :-)!

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