On February 3, 2024 8:55:42 PM CST, Kevin Kofler via devel <devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >Neal Gompa wrote: >> It's extremely obvious that people want to use it. You replied to >> someone who did and denigrated their opinion. Frankly, I'm >> disappointed in your response as well as the tone of you and Kevin. > >I cannot really speak for Sérgio. I do think his choice of words in the >particular mail you are referring to could have been better. (In particular, >I would not have used the word "crap" there.) But please keep in mind that >he (like me) is not a native English speaker. > >I can, though, speak for myself, and I am frankly surprised that you are >offended by the tone of my messages. Are you sure that it is not the content >that upsets you rather than the tone? And if it is, try asking you why the >content upsets you. Maybe because it points out inconvenient facts? > >> Neither of you are aligning with the Fedora Foundation of Friends, and >> the personal attacks were unwarranted and unwanted. > >We (the KDE SIG and me) stopped being Friends when you (the KDE SIG) >unilaterally decided to ban me from all your communication channels, a ban >that has still not been lifted years after the alleged misconduct (on IRC >only, but the ban was extended to the mailing list and even your Pagure >issue trackers!) you accused me of. Wait, you're banned from all the KDE channels in Fedora? I have no idea what led to that, though the KDE SIG doesn't have a track record of handing those kind of bans out flippantly. But regardless, that calls into question your position as an unbiased observer. > >Nevertheless, I am really trying hard to not make this personal. What I >disagree with is the technical decision to remove X11 support from the >Fedora Plasma packaging. I also objected right when you filed your Change >Proposal that the KDE SIG has no authority to declare in the Change that >Fedora will NOT ship something because other packagers are free to package >it. A belief that at the time was actually shared by the KDE SIG, or at >least by the one KDE SIG member who has publicly commented on it: >https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/f40-change-proposal-kde-plasma-6-system-wide/89794/11 >Though the wording in the Change Proposal was not changed. Possibly because >you did not believe at the time that I was serious about submitting those >packages, just like others did not believe you were serious about removing >X11 support from Plasma packaging. But I am of the kind that when I promise >something, I tend to deliver on it. > >> What we're doing is bold for sure, but aligns with two more of the Fedora >> Foundations, First and Features. > >I can see how it aligns with "First", but how does removing a major feature >that users rely on align with "Features"? > >I also believe that denying users the choice of continuing to use X11 >despite upstream still supporting it does not align with the "Freedom" and >"Friends" principles. > >> And for the first time in a long time, Fedora KDE has generated >> significant buzz in the community and media. > >Any press is good press? I believe that the coverage only hurts the >reputation of the Fedora KDE SIG. If you see the discussions, many people >are grabbing their virtual pitchforks, or silently switching distributions >as a result of the news (even though it is actually fake news because I had >already stated back in September that I would reintroduce the X11 packages >should you remove them, a fact that the press has not bothered researching). >Sure, there are some very vocal fanboys screaming "Death to X11!", but I >really do not understand why, because nobody is forcing them to use X11. >There is no need to remove X11 to make Wayland great. > >> I'm excited for the future of Fedora KDE with Plasma Wayland, as well >> as what we're doing with the upstream KDE community. :) > >And nobody is taking that away. > > Kevin Kofler >-- >_______________________________________________ >devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ >List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines >List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue -- _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
