On Fri, Feb 2, 2024 at 1:05 PM Sérgio Basto <sergio@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > On Fri, 2024-02-02 at 01:34 -0600, Jonathan Bennett via devel wrote: > > Hey folks, outside observer, and long-time Fedora user weighing in > > with > > some thoughts. First off, I've been hyped to see Fedora lead the way > > with finally making a real move to Wayland, and retire X11. And now > > I'm > > fairly disappointed to hear that there's a real chance that move will > > get killed. And especially that it's not because of a technical > > problem > > or blocker bug. > > I don't understand , why you want the others use a crap of software, > fully buggy, without many features , which is not supported by many > (like nvidia) , because is new ? > > Who wants use Wayland and test it, may use wayland and test it, it is > even the default . > > It is really difficult to me understand your point of view , users > should be free to use what they want and have choices, It is really > weird (for me) that you want that I use wayland and test wayland . > All of us in the KDE SIG daily drive Plasma Wayland, and have done so for quite a while. I (as well as most of the members) have since 2020, with the two members using NVIDIA beginning daily driving it in 2022 with the 515 driver release. I would not be pushing "crap" or "fully buggy" software "without many features" that is "not supported by many (like nvidia)". We literally waited until NVIDIA started properly supporting it, and spent a lot of time with upstream to improve the experience. With regards to NVIDIA, this cycle provides a lot of light at the end of the tunnel because the proprietary driver is optional for the newest generation of GPUs and eventually will be optional for the last six years of NVIDIA GPUs. Yes, it's not everything, but it's a lot and that's a big deal. The SIG has worked methodically and patiently toward this, in conjunction with upstream (the Fedora way), for three years. We're also gathering empirical data through our test week, and the results have been largely positive: https://testdays.fedoraproject.org/events/174 It's extremely obvious that people want to use it. You replied to someone who did and denigrated their opinion. Frankly, I'm disappointed in your response as well as the tone of you and Kevin. Neither of you are aligning with the Fedora Foundation of Friends, and the personal attacks were unwarranted and unwanted. What we're doing is bold for sure, but aligns with two more of the Fedora Foundations, First and Features. And for the first time in a long time, Fedora KDE has generated significant buzz in the community and media. I'm excited for the future of Fedora KDE with Plasma Wayland, as well as what we're doing with the upstream KDE community. :) -- 真実はいつも一つ！/ Always, there's only one truth! -- _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
