Re: It’s time to transform the Fedora devel list into something new

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On Wed, Apr 26, 2023 at 10:28:41AM -0400, Matthew Miller wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 25, 2023 at 03:33:28PM -0400, Solomon Peachy via devel wrote:
> > Honestly, if a "how to configure discourse to mimic the MUA-managed 
> > mailing list experience (ie not having to log into a web site after the 
> > initial configuration)" document is produced, that's probaby sufficient 
> > to overcome most of these objections, because then the setup cost is 
> > one-off, and the ongoing "interact with Fedora-devel" cost won't be any 
> > greater than it already is.  (It's not the setup cost that's a problem, 
> > it's the per-transaction/interaction cost, which is currently _higher_)
> 
> I've written this:
> 
> https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/guide-to-interacting-with-this-site-by-email/25960
> 
> and I'd love feedback on it.

I turned on the full email notications for "Project discussion" to get a
representative sample. After two days, I would say that those notifications are
not perfect, e.g. the quoting is off for no good reason [1], but in general OK.
The text is readable and would work okayish to just follow the discussions.
In particular, replies to replies seems to be threaded correctly, so I see a
little tree in mutt.
(In some previous comments on this thread, people who passively follow
fedora-devel were mentioned. I think this answers this particular concern.)

Personally, I expect this would be similar to how I interact with github: I get
notifications by email for various activities, and either delete them or do
short replies using email, but for "bigger" interactions I click on one of the
links to go the web forum. The email workflow could be made better, github
suffers from the same gratuitous bad plain text formatting, but practically
there are limits: a multi-page diff cannot be displayed in the plain-text email
anyway, so some interaction through the browser would be needed anyway.

Actually, I think the metadata that discourse sends is already better than what
github does. And the formatting is also better. If [1] is fixed, I think it
would rate as "good". The threading is definitely better in discourse than in
github, because the latter always does a flat list of replies.

[1] https://meta.discourse.org/t/format-quotes-in-plain-text-e-mail-correctly/262814

Zbyszek
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