On Thu, Apr 20, 2023 at 05:39:51PM -0400, Stephen Smoogen wrote: > I hate to ask this but could you give a more summarized version of this > email? I realize you had a lot of reasoning you wanted to cover on the > why's but I frankly got lost several times. That makes it really hard not > to respond in ways which are overly emotional and not helpful. Anything I > wrote would start with me trying to summarize what was written but failing > to do so, or I would end up trying to pick apart different paragraphs in > non-helpful ways. Sure. I realize it is quite long. I am proposing that over the course of 2023, starting with the Changes process, we move Fedora development conversations from this mailing list to the Discourse-based Fedora Discussion. Many Fedora folks, new and old, can't keep with this list. The number of participants is down over time (even as the number of threads has risen). Many teams are moving away from devel list anyway -- using various scattered bug trackers as their effective "forum". Discourse gives us better tools for the conversations we need to have as a project. I know it takes some getting used to, but I strongly believe it will be worth it. Devel list actually covers a lot of different topics. Discourse lets us categorize those better while still keeping it all together. The first thing I suggest moving is discussion around proposed Changes. This is a FESCo decision. The rest I won't duplicate here. -- Matthew Miller <mattdm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Fedora Project Leader _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue