On Tue, Jan 10, 2023 at 08:30:25AM -0500, Siddhesh Poyarekar wrote: > On Tue, Jan 10, 2023 at 3:05 AM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek > <zbyszek@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > Exactly, you're just confirming what I wrote above. > > > > A "vote being rigged" means that either the people who should be allowed to vote > > couldn't, or that people who are not allowed to vote did, or that voters were > > tricked or forced to vote differently, or that votes were miscounted. > > What's being alleged is that many members were tricked into changing > their vote by using the false narrative about _FORTIFY_SOURCE proposal > getting an unfair pass despite performance concerns (which *I* > hypothesized months ago and I later dispelled, in the end even quoting > benchmark results for it) and creating the impression that the > toolchain team is being duplicitous about the performance question. > Further trickery involved rushing the vote, claiming that it had to be > done soon to meet the mass rebuild deadline; too bad if those who had > strong objections earlier weren't around to put their comments on > record. That description assumes that FESCo members are preschoolers who are easy to trick and also need to be reminded who said what every day. That's certainly not the case. The objections against the proposal were made very clearly and they certainly weren't forgotten over a few days. Those objections also didn't *change* over those few days, so repeating them wouldn't actually change anything. Speaking for myself, I heard the objections from various sides, and I think I understand them. In particular I think that the objections from the compiler team are based on correct evaluation of the effect of the change. But that evaluation is hyperfocused on benchmark performance and doesn't look at the needs of the whole ecosystem. I think that the advantages of the proposal and the gains I hope will be realized outweigh the drawbacks. I can't speak for other people, but I assume that they made a similar evaluation. FWIW, I voted the same both times, but I didn't make up my mind to vote +1 until relatively late before the vote after I had time to read up on the topic and go through various options that we have. Zbyszek _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
