Hi Matthew, On Mon, Jan 09, 2023 at 11:47:54AM -0500, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Sun, Jan 08, 2023 at 06:06:47PM +0100, Kevin Kofler via devel wrote: > > Therefore, I hereby request that the vote be annulled as having happened > > in violation of the Change policy. > > So, from a purely "what are the rules?" view, the Change process says: > > FESCo will vote to approve or deny a change proposal in accordance with > the FESCo ticket policy. > > ... and I won't quote all of that, but looking at > https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fesco/#_ticket_policy... > I don't see any violations, either in the letter or the spirit of what is > written. > > And, from a practical point of view, since this passed with six +1 votes, > I'm not sure what benefit canceling and re-voting would really add. It does feel to me as being against the spirit, and only not against the letter because it is presented as a "revote" on an existing change proposal instead of proposing a new change proposal (which this really is IMHO). Practically people have started preparing for the mass rebuild at the end of last year since that was when the change checkpoint for change proposals requiring a mass rebuild was. And at that point the Change Proposal was already decided to not be included. So it was never expected that the build flags would suddenly change so drastically (and some flags are still wrong). Cancelling and backing out these last minute changes will cause a lot less stress. Socially I think it will be better for all involved if the policies on revoting and/or reintroducing a change proposal are first clarified before allowing a revote. At the moment everybody involved seems hurt because of the unclear policy. Not having clear rules on the needed visibility and time needed to discuss this revote/resubmission of the change proposal caused people to assume the worst about others. Lets reset and take the time to heal first, so people start actually talking about real solutions again. Cheers, Mark _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
