On Mi, 21.12.22 12:35, Neal Gompa (ngompa13@xxxxxxxxx) wrote: > > And similar for server/embedded stuff. If fedora wants to be deployed > > in such worlds, it's kinda nice if we can automatically recover from > > hosed updates. > > None of those things require us to write data to /boot. Even in your > model, if you *must* write to a filesystem, the counters can live on > the ESP even if all the system-installed content exists in /boot. I'm > sure you could envision a simple file in the ESP for that. None of > that is permanent configuration, just transient stuff. I don't follow your thinking at all. On one hand you want /boot/ to be ext4, supposedly for data safety reasons. But you don't want writes from pre-boot environment to go there. You are fine if pre-boot writes to ESP (i.e. VFAT) however for boot counting. So, ESP is more important for booting than /boot/ (simply because a hosed kernel doesn't matter, if you have another — a hosed boot loader is much more problematic however since you typically have no other), hence if anything you should be more concerned about writes there than on /boot. If you accept that writes to the ESP/VFAT are actually OK, then I think it's just a minor step to say that /boot/ as VFAT is also OK given these writes are more seldom, are done from the safer OS environment, and can be tightly controlled. Lennart -- Lennart Poettering, Berlin _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue