On 10/13/22 11:18, Kevin Kofler via devel wrote: > Fabio Valentini wrote: >> Do you have suggestions for improving this situation? I think we're >> pretty close to doing the best we can with packaging Rust projects, >> given the current limitations of the language (i.e. the support for >> building "true shared Rust libraries" is still very limited and >> unstable; but that might improve in the future). > > Building true shared libraries is pretty much a prerequisite for any sane > form of packaging. I strongly recommend that you bring this up on the rust-lang Zulip (https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com) and see if you can find people who can improve this. >> Additionally, the way the Sequoia GPG backend for RPM is implemented, >> it's actually shipped as a standard shared library with a C ABI and >> accompanying C headers (which are binary compatible with the existing >> in-house GPG backend code in RPM). No Rust code will be statically >> linked into /usr/bin/rpm. > > That at least makes sense. (Though I assume that that C-style .so still > internally depends on a whole bunch of Rust crates that are statically > compiled and linked into the .so, does it not?) It does. >> I'm sorry to disappoint you, but Rust is here to stay, whether you >> like it or not. >> For example, it's been voted the "most loved" and "most wanted" >> language for a few years in a row in Stack Overflow's surveys: >> https://survey.stackoverflow.co/2022/#technology-most-loved-dreaded-and-wanted > > And according to the same statistics, the majority of developers runs > Windows, yet hopefully you do not propose that Fedora ship Windows… > > We need to ship what we can reasonably ship, not what the (relative) > majority of developers in the world (most of whom do not even run Fedora) > happens to prefer. There is now Rust code in the Linux kernel. It currently is not needed by any shipping driver, but that is not a matter of *if*, but of *when*. The Asahi GPU driver is being written in Rust, for example, so anyone building Linux for Apple Silicon will need CONFIG_RUST=y in the not-too-distant future. systemd (yes, systemd) is considering using Rust, though it has not yet started including it, and there is already Rust code in Mesa IIRC. C and C++ are being moved away from because they have unfixable security problems. Memory unsafety, which is predominantly (though not exclusively) found in C and C++ codebases, accounts for well over half of all security vulnerabilities. Google tried to retrofit memory safety into C++ and failed, and the existing methods for making C memory-safe either have massive overheads (4x slowdown for a single-threaded application, worse for multi-threaded, IIRC) or require a completely unreasonable amount of developer effort for a volunteer project (formal methods). -- Sincerely, Demi Marie Obenour (she/her/hers) _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
